Mbodge, it is sometimes very painful dealing with our people. I hear descriptions such as hatred, disdain, anger, loosing focus, wrong timing, emotional, etc., as folks attempt to make us the problem - all coded language. You begin to wonder whether you even know some of these folks anymore even after all these years reading them and somtimes dealing with them. It is frieghtening. A colleague of mine once counseled to "keep your enemies close and your friends even closer". How do you have a person be a professor teaching students about politics and ethics and wrote volumes for his department about a dictator, only to wake up one day to put all that in the trash bin to join the dictator. Then the person gets trapped by the dictator and all of a sudden he is brave that is why he was in Gambia and that he should be a spokes person for someone or crusade for another all for some strategy that they conjured up in their head.  
"Now, is it a sin to state facts for posterity and not be tarred with assassinating the character of Professor Amadou Scattered Janneh and his likes.  Men, what is wrong with stating facts?"
I care less who thinks I am assasinating Amadou's character, for I am not insecure and I am not a hypocrit. When our folks don't want to face the truth, they will posture all kinds of ways and find all kinds of logic and excuses - anything but the truth. Why be general when you have all the space to be specific? You notice that over the years, many fighters on this and other distro quit because they cannot deal with the hypocricy anymore. These are people we all know we can trust and will never lower the standards of acceptable behavior. They are here reading but when they contribute it is international in scope. Their spirit on matters Gambia is killed. Because folks have a knack for waffling and the dishonesty is grueling for someone who strives to be honest. Our people can get you to that place. I have never been a quiter in my life, but many a times I am brought to the edge of the cliff. This is very frustrating and defies commonsense. And then you have the folks who hide behind veils to prescribe what we should do when they cannot even risk coming out and they see nothing wrong with that basic action. Are the rest of us dumb that is why we reveal our ID? How do you even be oblivious to the fact that you are a phantom preaching to folk about what they should or not do? Sense of decency should dictate that you are conscious of that fact and stay silent and read because of your pride for you know folks saw through that, but no. They hide behind freedom of speach and forget the responsibility that accompany those freedoms. If I respect you enough to reveal my ID, you mean to tell me that you do not even know the importance of reciprocating. It comes back to ethical behavior. I am coming to the realization that some of us just pay lip service to integrity and ethical behavior. It is the values you carry with you, especially when none is looking. If I cannot trust a person, I cannot deal with them at a certain level, especially in the heavy matters we deal with in the s$%t that occurs daily in Gambia. They have all the space to extenuate their scheme as long as they are certain that I am not party to it. Yes, I can hear them say good riddance and I say the feeling is mutual.
Joe   
Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2012 11:06:30 +0100
Subject: Re: [>-<] Dr. Amadou Scattred Janneh
From: [log in to unmask]
To: [log in to unmask]; [log in to unmask]


Really baffling the inconsistency of some people. They spend a lot of time shouting, huffing and puffing and exaggerating the spinelessness of the leaders of the established political parties on the ground in name of their God given democratic rights to voice their opinions however hackneyed these may be [Personally the political leaders on the ground are far braver and authentic than most of us staying far away from home pretending to be more concern than any living being about the goings on in the Gambia].   
 These lot are ready to accept 'turn-coats and intellectual prostitutes' as our Mandelas and what not for some strange reasoning.  Worrying!  It seems one can go prostitute themselves to the tyrant Jammeh in the name of contributing their share to national development, then gets thrown out, get a couple of t-shirts and make attempts to distribute them to a handful of followers, get arrested and thrownto  prison Waalla yai Jammbarr yeeh Jamm~yeeh.
 Now, is it a sin to state facts for posterity and not be tarred with assassinating the character of Professor Amadou Scattered Janneh and his likes.  Men, what is wrong with stating facts?  
No wonder the messages about Jammeh's brutality are becoming more confused everyday, reason why many ignore the Gambian diaspora and their concerns. Koto Prince I await your next installment. The Wollofs saying Maag Maat Naa Baa Si Daakkaa is apt here.  Keep them coming.
 Best,Mboge     
On Sun, Dec 2, 2012 at 3:58 AM, Demba Baldeh <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

Brother George, 
Let's just all agree that Dr. Janneh did F....up... And let's also agree that so many other Gambians did F- up before Jammeh and continue to F- up...while Jammeh is still in power... That is the reason our country is in such a disgraceful situation where people who cannot compete in a level playing field are left to run our nation... 


I am more concern about calling people out when it is convenient and muted when the smell is too close... We should probably come up with a list of all those who we think F-up and see where we end up as a nation...


This is what yahya Jammeh recognizes and he continuous to humiliate our people and play that card...
Demba (Baldeh)


On Sat, Dec 1, 2012 at 5:30 PM, George Sarr <[log in to unmask]> wrote:



See, if you can't explain something to a six year old chances are you don't understand it yourself. We have a Doctor who is among the most cited on issues APRC (Aimless People Ruining our Country) made a conscious decision to work for the devil, and got served proper by devil what's on menu, and so for people coming to his defense saying he made a mistake is absolute bullshit. There is a stark difference between mistake and fuckup. The Dr. Fucked up, and no amount of spin will change that. If you walk into my server room and trip a wire and bring this here Mighty Post down, I just made a big mistake, and I might slap you twice. But if you knowingly enter my server, and you see everything in its proper and you start pulling wires and doing crazy things, then you just fucked up, because you knew better. You will end up in jail, like Dr. Janneh. That simple. Let's stop defending the indefensible. Needless to say Dr. Janneh is not a for and is well capable of defending himself. I'm just not going to lie for him. I don't cut corners with the truth, friend or foe. Like I said, wahanteh degga I yuut. Mo nehh Yallah, as old and wise folks would say.


From: Joe Joe
Sent: 12/1/2012 7:28 PM


To: Gambia Post
Subject: RE: [>-<] Dr. Amadou Scattred Janneh




Demba, thanks for your thoughts. Am I correct to conclude that a more palatable turn-coat in Amadou is more important than those killed, tortured, maimed, or made to disappear by Yaya while Amadou was SOS and breaking bread with Yaya? You also being a Journalist, does it matter that Amadou was at the table when journalists were worst hit and did nothing to defend them? I am also assuming that you are fine with who Amadou started as, a Professor of Political Science and the Resident Expert on Jammeh, only to be a taker with eyes wide open. You are comfortable with his ethics, yes? Are you also of the opinion that had Amadou not fired that he would not have been with Yaya as I write? Lastly, this issue about Amadou is not about a comparison between Amadou to let's say a Uwaa, FJC, or any of those recycled material. It is about the opportunism that Amadou stands for. It is about a person who does not believe in anything but his personal gain. That is what took him to Gambia in the first place. What some call Amadou's sacrifice in staying after he was fired, the rest of Gambia saw other wise. Where was he to go, to the US, where he could not find the kind of employment he was looking for - Professorship, the reason Yaya became appealing? 



Yes, Amadou is a Gambian and has a right to associate with whom ever, including Yaya. What he does not have a right to is to speak for Gambians without first coming to terms with his opportunism and it appears he has not lost a beat. One thing is certain, Amadou is going to be reminded who he is and will hear from some of us as long as he continues to be who he is - "a palatable turn-coat". I am noticing a line being slowly visible in the topic of Amadou and I think in the interest of our struggle, folks should volunteer any potential conflicts of interest. If folks want to come to Amadou's defense, they should not cherry pick what they want to present, but look at the sum total of the parts. 



Joe


Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2012 13:31:38 -0800
From: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: [>-<] Dr. Amadou Scattred Janneh

To: [log in to unmask]



Hi Everyone,

While it is not my intention to defend Dr. Scattred Janneh
for whatever role he may have played in helping to prop up the Jammeh regime,
but I do agree with some people that the very fact that he did not do as most
others before him did, that is to stay mute and expect to be recycled when he
was sacked, but instead he came out in the open to try and change the system
means that he deserved some respect and commendation. 

We have seen how so many people who had been sacked and humiliated
still not only kept so mute expecting to be recycled but some of them even went
ahead to write letters to the president to renew their support and allegiance

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