JDAM,
The quote here was BOTH in jest and a SERIOUS attempt to share that we the
citizens of Gambia have a myriad options in harnessing our values and train
those values on our desires. The jest part allows the partisans to focus
on their partners in coalition-building proper if they are indeed interested
in that.
In the coming days, I will be seeking the partnership of folk just like you
and our coleagues here to develop those other options. I seek your
guidance, counsel, and company in advance.
Haruna.
In a message dated 2/19/2010 2:40:37 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
[log in to unmask] writes:
"So focus your time and energies on value - building and strangthening
your parties. We are not interested in a United Opposition any more. At least
we will not depend on that idea as the means to remove Yahya. So don't feel
burdened to form a united opposition on account of the people"
ATT Jr, to Suntou
ATT Jr
In jest, or a serious stab at overcoming the tremendous hurdles on the
path of opposition Gambia for success in Presidential Election 2011?
Lemme know
LJDarbo (JDAM to you)
--- On Sat, 13/2/10, Haruna Darbo <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
From: Haruna Darbo <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Let us turn a new page
To: [log in to unmask]
Date: Saturday, 13 February, 2010, 22:49
Suntou,
I take your counsel into advisement. Pa Samba is a dear friend. He and I
will come to understandings. It takes a little nudging and explanation for
him but it shall come to pass. I am not a novice at conflict resolution.
Here is what I advise of you though.
Today, today. If Halifa for some reason went into a trans and declared -
Let us have a total opposition union and let UDP/NRP lead it, wIll you and
UDP/NRP waste your times to join
PDOIS??????????????????????????????????????????????????????
This is the question I want you and UDP/NRP and even GMC to ponder. After
you do, you will throw away Agenda-2011 and focus on building your parties
and alliances. As I can see, both UDP/NRP and GMC have shortcomings in
party administration that leave a lot to be desired. Simple tasks take days or
months to complete if at all. When your leader is busy defending Femi
Peters, the party's entire activities stop. WHY???? If Ousainou is not free, the
party's executive committee need to ensure the continued functioning of
the party. WHY is that? Some due-diligence does not require money.
Organising and visiting with your supporters regularly as far away as Koina and
Jimara and cultivating new supporters should be done all the time, Ousainou or
no Ousainou. NADD/PDOIS has the same problem or worse. But the time you
partisans spend on chatter could be better used developing your parties. The
way I see it, none of the parties is capable of governing Gambia in this
state. And if you should dream about forming a singular union, you will have
multiplied the inefficiencies ten-fold.
So focus your time and energies on value - building and strangthening your
parties. We are not interested in a United Opposition any more. At least
we will not depend on that idea as the means to remove Yahya. So don't feel
burdened to form a united opposition on account of the people.
Thank you and may DaarManso continue to bless all of you in your
self-interests.
Haruna.
-----Original Message-----
From: suntou touray <[log in to unmask]>
To: [log in to unmask]
Sent: Sat, Feb 13, 2010 5:05 pm
Subject: Re: Let us turn a new page
Haruna, your comments are simple, logical and straight forward. But the
sad facts is that, some people cannot even think for themselves without
Sallah telling them how. Halifa's attempt to be Jack of all trade meant that, he
did injustice to himself and UDP/NRP analysing absent voters and the
synergy effect with him being a mortal man could'nt quantify.
Halifa should display his formula of his cirtic of the UDP/NRP not adding
the absent voters to the pool. Absent voters affected all the parties,
including PDOIS and NDam.
Haruna, your efforts are honourable and honest. Where you criticise me and
my attempts, i recognise the reasoning in them. When we send our
rejoinder, Halifa's few fans in American made all sorts of noise, some saying:
Halifa is under attack, we should stop all talks
Now who did we responded to? The wind or Halifa? Did this people actually
read anything Halifa wrote?
My hunch is they don't. But when Mr Grey-Johnson again repeated Halifa
mistakes, i didn't hear this people who nearly went into coma when we their
patron, when Darboe was branded power hungry etc by a misguided bigoted
partisan.
The two face mentality is the real reason Halifa is continuing what he
doing. Behind his back his own guys are dissolution with him, among people,
they defend his ideas even after knowing they don't make sense. And as for
Pasamba, true peace will come to pass when you are bold enough to confront
Halifa. But for now, it will be a dream.
Haruna, keep writing.
Suntou
On Sat, Feb 13, 2010 at 1:55 PM, Haruna Darbo <[log in to unmask]
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Olfactor you can't help but take a swipe at yours truly. What is wrong
with you men? I'll have you know you can't have a better friend than Haruna. I
just got off the phone with a friend. He tells me president Clinton is
doing marvelously and with our continued prayers, he should be back up,
straight up, to continue to assist in Haiti and Northern Ireland. I told him I
have a friend in Dublin who could hold the torch for Ireland as the president
recovers. So I messed up your hibernation long before you perceived it.
SOmeone will be looking for you over there to lend all Ireland a hand as she
works through devolution. Won't you do Ireland a good turn? Migrant worker
or not, you still live in Ireland. So why go into hibernation on account
of your friend Haruna when you could be working for Northern Ireland????
Learn to not take, take, take. Learn to give, give, give. Besides I did not
hear where you tried to get our mutual friend Demba out of box. I know your
life has some value. I just gotta figure it out for you. I still love you.
Now then Dad, you did a marvelous job in amicus of Halifa's electoral
arithemetic which you inform us was the basis for Agenda 2011. You must be
commended for this. It is what mortal man can expect of a partisan. I totally
admire your zeal and sport. I guess it is not necessary therefore for me to
read Agenda 2011 afterall. I will share some notes with you and they will
be brief.
In my view, Halifa's un-intended dishonesty does not lie in the
arithemetic adduand. As a philosopher and sociologist par excellence, Halifa must
have been taught that linear arithemetic is not terribly valuable for
philosophers and sociologists. That is why linear algebra and additional math were
introduced in those years where sociologists and philosophers shared their
agonies in explaining human conditions and considerations. Throw in the
philosopher and sociologist who wishes to use politics to solve the landmark
equations of social engineering. Why do people vote? Why do they vote the
way they do?
Let me be the first to share with you that the adduand exclusively should
not be considered in electoral arithemetic. You cannot explain the
distributive and associative properties only by using addition alone, addition and
subtraction alone, Or addition, subtraction, and multiplication alone.
Electoral arithemetic must include the use of addition, subtraction,
multiplication, division, the operations of integral and derivative science are a
complex use of these four, and they cannot even begin to tackle electoral
mathematics. Secondly, you must endeavour to include the time value of
elections and votes and the time value of human considerations. That is where the
accountant comes to the aid of the philosopher/sociologist/politician. Even
further, electoral calculus contains some intractable variables such as
personal considerations of the voter that are a function of his/her state of
mind at the time of voting. What you must not do under any circumstance,
is to extrapolate or compare votes of different periods or periodic
elections. Your quandry is not complete even after you satisfy the foregoing. There
comes the matter of vote-buying, vote-selling which Halifa himself was at
pains to convince us happens during the elections in Gambia. Well throw in
the mix of the Gambian voter's problems of Yahya's intimidations,
electoral riggings, and ballot stuffings, why you have just thoroughly
discombabulated yourself.
In essence, the dishonesty displayed by Halifa, though unintended, is a
result of using a dishonest formula. Now when you skew that formula to
portray another opposition party as incapable to win future elections, you burden
straightforward dishonest calculus with odious bias. If the premise
therefore of AGENDA 2011 is the result of such arithemetic, well you know the
rest of the story.
Therefore, I urge Halifa to apologise to the readers of Agenda 2011 and
all other opposition parties, and when we work on a roadmap, to cease
redefining past elections in Gambia. Past election results in Gambia will not
afford any valuable or meaningful discernment for any opposition party. And
Foroyaa, based on such arithemetic wishes opposition parties to go back to the
drawing board. For what????????? We are all unduly mesmerized by the
sanctity of a total opposition union. I advise sobriety and caution against
disingenuity and pretense.
I commend you nonetheless for efforting amicus of Agenda 2011 and Halifa.
Olfactor, any minute now you'll hear a knock on your door. Nobody
hibernates in Ireland anymore. She invests enormous amounts to market herself as a
lively tourist destination. You should help her in that regard. I love you
all.
Haruna.
-----Original Message-----
From: Modou Mboge <[log in to unmask]
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To: [log in to unmask]
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Sent: Sat, Feb 13, 2010 4:54 am
Subject: Re: Let us turn a new page
Nyang,
Keep up the good work, however dealing with grouchy characters is
difficult, for reason and reality is not their forte. Let me go back to my
hibernation as our grouch par excellence here has snorted at people who have
decided to ignore his incessant and vapid rambling. I do not want to be
splattered by his grotty stuff, so hibernation here we come.
Nyang once again keep the fire burning and keep helping me out of my
hibernation with your good work. Thanks for a very well written piece.
Best,
Mboge
On Sat, Feb 13, 2010 at 9:42 AM, Modou Nyang <[log in to unmask]
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wrote:
Suntu,
How Many times am I to prove that you do not do your homework well? I can
see that you are trying to get allies from all those People with hate
messages. This is weakening your course. Such hate messages cannot isolate any
one.. We have seen those types of people here in the US during Obama’s
campaign. They cannot explain why they hate him.
Consequently their hate messages worked out very well for Obama. Here too
you are giving Halifa more publicity than he has asked for. The worse thing
that you did to your self is to raise issues which led to the challenge
for Halifa to explain the role he played in NADD. I am still waiting to read
part 3 so that things will be clearer since your camp is still trying to
distort the truth even though no NADD leader had come out in public to do so.
Your last hope to discredit Halifa is your claim that he distorted the
result of the 2001 Presidential elections just to prove that the UDP lost more
votes than it really did, when compared to 2006 so that its leadership
would be discredited. In my reaction to your rejoinder I decided to skip the
issue of the exact number of votes your party the UDP had in the 2001
election in order to do a proper research on it. I have now scanned the results
of the 2001 Presidential elections with the signature of the then Chairman
of the Independent Electoral Commission Gabriel Roberts.
However, before going into your distortion of the results I would want to
help one of your friends to understand what I meant when I said Darboe was
not brave enough to tell his colleagues what he wanted and stuck by it
before they ventured to form NADD. He misunderstood me completely and strayed
into accusing Halifa of promoting that a brave person should be selected to
lead an opposition alliance. My position is that if Darboe is strongly
convinced that he should lead and others should follow. He should simply
declare that for all to understand and then proceed to sell his agenda to the
people. Whoever wants to join him would do so and those who would not want
to join him would go on with their own programmes. Since UDP is not ready
to compromise on leadership it should make that clear and stand by that
decision and should not join any arrangement where leadership would have to be
negotiated with other stakeholders.
let me now deal with the results of the 2001 Presidential elections.
Halifa made it clear in his Agenda 2011 that UDP had 149448 votes in 2001 while
NRP had 35,671 votes. Please read the Agenda again. You will get the real
figures rather than approximations. If you want a copy of the Agenda i will
mail it to you electronically.
Halifa indicated that the two parties formed an alliance in 2006 along
with GPDP and had votes numbering 104,808 votes..Halifa concluded that
compared to the 2001 figures the two parties lost 80,301 votes. Where then has
Halifa gone wrong?
Could you not do simple addition and subtraction? Add 149,448 votes to
35,67. You should get 185,119 votes. Subtract 104,808 from 185,119. What is
your answer? Is it not 80,301 votes. Halifa is dead correct and you the
members of the UDP camp in the UK are dead wrong.
I have investigated and got the results a long time ago. I wanted to check
whether you have leaders who would guide you to know the truth. The fact
that you are still persisting in claiming that Halifa’s figures are wrong
has forced me to request for a scanned declaration of results signed by The
Chairman of the IEC and I hope you will now apologise to Halifa for your
misleading statements. I am surprised by the fact that you are still clinging
to the view that Halifa quoted wrong figures even though your leaders in
Banjul should be able to tell you the truth instead of leaving you to
humiliate yourselves before world public opinion. I have decided to share the
copy of the declarations of the 2001 election results with the online media
for all to see for them selves since I cannot directly place it here unless
as an attachment.
Furthermore Suntou, you claim that it is the UDP who enabled Halifa to win
his Serrekunda Central Seat. Let us look at the results of the elections
in Serrekunda since the UDP was put up by the three major parties of the
first Republic, that is, the PPP, the NCP and the GPP.
In 1997, the UDP campaigned against Halifa Sallah in Serrekunda East and
put up a major PPP supporter, Bakary Manneh, as their candidate in order to
exploit OJ’s popularity as the MP at the time of the coup. The results
were as follows Halifa had 8, 529 votes, The UDP had 8, 067votes and the APRC
had 9, 575votes. Contrary to your position that the UDP put up a candidate
against Halifa in the 2007 National Assembly elections to humble him while
it left Sidia Jatta’s seat uncontested since he was a humble PDOIS leader,
Halifa did not stand as a Presidential Candidate in 1996. It is Sidia
Jatta who stood as a candidate against the UDP. And in the 1997 National
Assembly elections, the UDP also put up a prominent NCP supporter in Wuli
against Sidia Jatta. Alhamdu Conteh who stood as The UDP candidate had 1,098,
Mamadi Karlo Jabai of the APRC had 4, 641 and Sidia Jatta of PDOIS had 5, 499.
Sidia won despite UDP"s attempt to contest the seat.
In the 2002 National Assembly elections, the UDP boycotted the elections
and called on all its members to stay away from the polls. In Serre Kunda
Central, Halifa had 5, 563 votes as a PDOIS Candidate while the APRC
candidate had 5, 143 votes. Halifa won.
In the 2005 by election in Serre Kunda Central, Halifa had 5, 911 votes as
a candidate of the alliance while the APRC had 3, 984 votes. Ther alliance
added only 348 votes to the 2002 votes Halifa had as a PDOIS candidate. As
a NADD candidate Halifa had 4, 302 in the 2007 National Assembly
elections, UDP had 1, 548. and the APRC had 6, 386.
It should be clear that Sidia and Halifa both won their seats as PDOIS
candidates irrespective of the UDP. UDP made a big mistake in contesting the
Serrekunda central seat. It did not spoil anything for Halifa. It spoilt its
own name. Many young people started to describe it as a party that pours
the sand in the porridge if it is not invited to share in the eating. UDP
UK is also doing more harm to the UDP. I will take up this issue later.
Suntu you concluded that: "The UDP U.K knows very well, Halifa's students
will come trying to defend the indefensible. They will again continue to
twist the facts and try to blame others for Halifa's inability to convince
Gambian voters. What the UDP propose which is respectfully talked by sincere
Gambians, Halifa don't want to pay attention to that. What he want is to
talk directly to Gambians, the civil society, the NGO's etc and then create
a cadre of people who will later chose him as their saviour."
This is your allegation. This is your fear. You do fear that Halifa could
convince the Gambian voters. Your objective therefore is to prevent this
through premeditated character assassination. You claim that I am trying to
distort facts. What facts are we trying to distort? If Halifa cannot
convince the Gambian people then why is he your headache. Halifa is not Darboes
problem and Darboe is not Halifa’s problem. The problem of the Gambian
people should be our problem .Allow me to quote what Halifa said recently.
"Interestingly enough, in 2001 the APRC candidate had 242, 302 votes when
it forged no alliance with the NCP. At that time there were 501, 304
registered voters. Suffice it to say, even though the number of voters increased
by 169, 032, by 2006 the votes of the APRC could only increase by 22,102
votes. The UDP candidate had 149,448 votes in 2001. Even though it developed
alliance with NRP, which had 35,671 votes in 2001, its votes went down
104,808 votes in the 2006 elections, despite the increase in the number of
registered voters by 169, 032 voters."
"Foroyaa: What is your advise?"
"It is therefore necessary for political leaders to go back to the drawing
board and map out a new way forward. How is the opposition to attract the
542,055 voters who did not vote for them is the subject at hand. This is
what Agenda 2011 is all about. Even though I am not excluding acceptance of
candidature, I have already declared that the best option is to select a
neutral candidate who will be able to run a non partisan transitional cabinet
for a period of 2 to 5 years and then step aside after a genuine multi
party contest. It is left to Gambians to decide whether they have a better
way forward."
Please ask Darboe to state his proposal for a way forward so that we know
what the UDP want for the Nation. That is better than endless bickering by
the spokesperson of the party in the UK .
--- On Wed, 2/10/10, suntou touray <[log in to unmask]
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From: suntou touray <[log in to unmask]
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Subject: Re: Let us turn a new page
To: [log in to unmask]
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Date: Wednesday, February 10, 2010, 4:12 PM
Bailo, good to know your ears are wide open. I thought you understood the
famous English saying "one man's meat is another man's poison". What you
believe to be crap from Suntou is a gem to some and vice verse.
I have always been a fan of politics Bailo, however it doesn't dominate my
life. I reveal here last year that, i was reading and consulting with
some Gambian opposition parties. trying to know certain aspects of their
politics and also to maintain how i can relate to them.
It was after this period, i decided the best option out there is the
United Democratic Party. Hence my joining their ranks.
I appreciate your boldness in stating on several occasion that a party led
coalition is the solution. Not every PDOIS member wish to accept this
fact, but in life we have to accept and politely disagree.
The situation for us all are very similar. Our central concern is to see
that a government comes to power that will respect the rule of law and
adheres to good governance. And also a government that will abide by term
limits and allow for diaspora Gambians to come home anytime and stand for
election without any restriction like it it is now.
UDP/NRP all agrees with this principles and also PDOIS. Therefore the
deliberate error some people are throwing about saying that, Ousainou will not
abide by term limits is the biggest nonsense.
Ousainou is selected by the UDP at there annual party congress to lead the
party, yet Jeggan is complaining that Ousainou didn't hand over to
someone. Who is the new expert to lecture the UDP on how to select a party leader?
Let Halifa hand over the leadership of PDOIS to Sam Sarr before he too
passes the required age. After all, the American system seems to be if you
cannot get the presidency, you pass it on. Let Sam step up. Jeggan can
lecture his PDOIS members but not us.
The annoying thing in all this exchanges is that, those who cry baby when
we reacted are all in hibernation, this world.
No wonder truth is relative. Bee kaa foo ila bori leya, tiw tiw ( each
person shout for your runner). Things are moving, albeit slowly. But progress
is been made. Ajarama, and Ibalen jam. Ya Allah dandu meen foof kata e
katato. Ameen.
Suntou
On Mon, Feb 8, 2010 at 10:56 PM, bailo jallow <[log in to unmask]
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wrote:
Suntou,
I heard you loud and clear. But we gotta move on and not get stuck to the
past.
As for the NIA, they are everywhere in the Gambia. Recently a young man
was pulled out of a public bus at Denton bridge and merciless beaten to a
vegetative state by our so-called security forces. His crime? The bus in
which he was travelling was like all vehicles on the road at the time ordered
off the road because the Presidential motorcade was expected along it. The
wait was apparently long and this young man made the mistake of telling
someone he was was speaking with on his mobile that they were waiting for
the for the convoy of our stupid president to pass. An NIA informant
overheard his indiscretion and decided to teach him a lesson. When the bus reached
Denton Bridge; the informant ordered the driver of the bus to halt the
bus, the young chap was pulled out and his alleged crime reported to the
security forces. Their immediate reaction was to beat him to a vegetative state
for his indiscretionary words against the President.
It is therefore ordinary private citizens who are paying a higher price
under the status quo than public personalities like Ousainou, Halifa, OJ,
Seedia and the rest, the immense sacrifice of the latter category
nothwithstanding.
Honestly, I am not a strong moslem as you. Evidence suggests that are not
a taleban otherwise the only technology you would approved of is the
killing machines. I guess you own a tv and even a computer. As such If you were
a taleban, your fellow talebans would have been seeking to publicly flog
for your deviation. So you cannot be a taleban! Though I must confess that
sometimes I tend to mis-consider you as one very angry ayatollah who
considers so-called PDOIS fanatics like myself as supporters of the great Satan.
I sincerely hope that is not so. Remember, you cautioned us sometimes ago
that politicians are not to be trusted. Your transformation into one
within this short space of time is amazing. Who and what is primary motivation?
I suppose Halifa is not the one.
Anyway, keep up the good work for your party and the Gambia in general
and please leave the crap out. I concur that you reserve the right
to.........................
Best wishes
Bailo
--- On Sun, 7/2/10, suntou touray <[log in to unmask]
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Subject: Re: Let us turn a new page
To: [log in to unmask]
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Date: Sunday, 7 February, 2010, 12:10
Bailo, your spin was well intention albeit your inability to accept the
facts of your Messiah's calamity. He cannot hide neither run away from his
mistakes. We are all willing to move on and try to talk as brothers. But
what we cannot leave alone the continuous blame game Halifa attributed to
others leaving his own saintly person out.
Politics is not a career for saints Bailo, the sooner Halifa recognises
that the better. And the gang mentality his supporters manifest is a turn of
for even his supporters, ganging up against those who speak about his
politics will only cause Halifa less cloud.
I also notice that, some of his guys start calling me Taliban, extremist
and what have you. If they are willing to stoop so low in their
misunderstanding of politics, my body feel for them.
Bailo, you are strong a muslims brother who actively partake in islamic
actvist, those that make you a Taliban? I know some of your Islamic
commitments, but I also accept that, as Muslims, we should be interested in
politics, science, literature, acceptable art, philosophy, just anything we can
enhance our minds with.
But alas, the gossip that Suntou is intolerant pumped up by the PDOIS boys
has reached me a long time. Some of this liers are even in cahoot with
the Foroyaa establishment providing them with equipment and the like.
My Islam allows me the privilege to be an enterprising citizen wherever I
live. I am a Muslim by choice and will practise Islam to the best of my
ability and will put across the little I know God-Willing. I respect the
laws of the land i reside in. But If my comments on Halifa incense some to the
extent that, they are willing to vilify and attribute nonsensical tags to
me, then I am vindicated.
Let us see how things pan out, we standby our findings and whenever it
becomes necessary, we shall respond to all false analogies on UDP. For those
who wish to be taken seriously including you Bailo, distant yourself from
errors, no matter who commits them, only then people will accept your
subsequent cries.
Modou's abysmal response require no countering from us. he place Halifa
in even more serious doubts hence putting across Halifa's line. He is the
brave soldier and others not. The facts speaks different. Ousainou's office
is man regularly by NIA agents, doing all they can to deter him from
actively politics. His clients harassed, his associated harassed, yet the
foroyaa guys go about their business selling papers and earning yet claiming to
be sacrificing more than others. It make me laugh mate.
Suntou
On Sat, Feb 6, 2010 at 2:01 PM, bailo jallow <[log in to unmask]
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Comrade Modou,
Your clarification efforts are highly appreciated. Let us now move on and
chart a new course towards helping bring about unity within the
opposition movement. In our unity is our strength. However, I strongly believe that
the general opposition movement would again fail to realise our common
goal of achieving a new Gambia for all if we continue to rely on already
tried and tested counterproductive strategies of destructive criticism aimed at
promoting one's candidate while vigorously attempting to tarnish that of
another's. Some may argue that come on, this is merely politics at play. I
personally consider such tactics as a smear campaign. Anyone on the
frontline of our national politics conscientiously opposing the retrogessive
policies and actions of the unjust APRC regime deserve nothing but support and
encouragement from everyone craving and campaigning for positive changes
in the Gambia. Ousainou Darboe, Halifa Sallah, Femi Peters, Seedia Jatta,
Mai Fatty and many others like them therefore only deserve our genuine
respect and good advice. I had concluded long time ago that under the current
poliitcal dispensation in in our beloved country the easiest and most
convenient resort for any person seeking only their own personal interest would
be to join the APRC Party.
Our primary objective should be towards ensuring that the leaderships of
the UDP-led Alliance and the remnants of NADD coalition would both sooner
rather later pursue a strategy of meaningful co-operation with one another
towards achieving an over-due united front against the incompetent and
callous APRC regime. That way, the doubters would have been confounded and
hope lost by the silent majority of Gambians would be restored.
Let confidence building measures between all sides of the opposition be
pursued in earnest from now on as time is precious sliding away.
Please try to help get your dear uncle bailed out after being found guilty
and sentenced yesterday for making a wrongful attribution to our dear
colleague, Halifa. Coincidentally, the amount payable which is any, should be
envoyed to him in jail for the benefit of good Gambian causes he has been
diligently campaigning for.
Finally I wish to commend organisations such as the STGDP and GDP who
have been focussing on just that. Let us not be daunted nor depair; ultimate
victory is assured for the cause of any struggle for justice, freedom and
respect for human dignity.
Let us turn a new constructive page. Let all good works go on. Amen!
Bailo
--- On Sat, 6/2/10, Modou Nyang <[log in to unmask]
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Subject: Re: Foroyaa News : HALIFA SALLAH COMMENTS AFTER THE APRC TOUR
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Date: Saturday, 6 February, 2010, 3:50
Bailo,
Uncle Haruna understands Halifa very well. This is why he prefers to rely
on the issue of credibility and not the election statistics which Halifa
relied on to draw his conclusion. My uncle is among those who say that
politics is about numbers. In fact the other camp rely on this so much that
they refer to some parties as fringe parties. They know what Halifa is talking
about but like the proverbial ostrich they prefer to bury their head in
the sand.
You see, some of these people do not care whether there is change or not.
What they are interested in is the change they want. If they cannot get it
they prefer to join Jammeh. They should not fool the rest of us. Where is
Waa who used to criticize Halifa. He accepted the post of a governor while
Halifa rejected the post of a Minister. This is the difference between him
and his critics. He wants genuine change for the long suffering Gambian
people.
Halifa has made it quite clear that the lowest common multiple in politics
is numbers and concluded that the numbers which rejected both opposition
and ruling party are so overwhelming that none could be considered
credible if that is the yardstick of measuring credibility. He therefore concluded
that those who want change should go back to the drawing board. He
offered a proposal and called on others with better proposals to offer their own.
Where is the bickering? All honest Gambians have seen the light and
cannot be deceived any more. They know who is power hungry and those who want
to empower the people.
Nyang
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Date: Friday, February 5, 2010, 6:41 AM
Please note that perspective does not always represent reality is what
I intended to express in my previous contribution.
Bailo
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Please note that perspective does not always represent reality is I
intended to express in my previous contribution.
Bailo
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Haruna tendered "So here Evian you will notice that my notes were in
response to your notes and I encourage you to read your notes where you
re-presented what Halifa said."
This is how I represented Halifa's statement: "You seem to be in denial
but that is sadly the truth. The APRC is far from credible and from the
perspective of the potential electorate, neither exists a more credible
alternative. Otherwise, the opposition would have won last time."
Please note that perspective does always represent reality.
The truth isI did not misrepresent Halifa; you did. Instead of
acknowledging your error, you are trying to shift it elsewhere. That's absolute
dishonesty!
Bailo
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What i will do Evian is to leave my comments close to yours and Halifa's
in order that the proximity may yield further comprehension where cacophany
meddles.
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Sent: Thu, Feb 4, 2010 12:20 pm Subject: Re: Foroyaa News : HALIFA SALLAH
COMMENTS AFTER THE APRC TOUR
Sheikh Haruna, The following is exactly what Comrade Halifa was reported
to have stated (emphasis mine):
“Some supporters of the APRC said that the opposition parties in the
Gambia are not credible. They should also add that the ruling party is not
credible. Their assessment of Gambian politics as it stands would then be
correct and balanced."
And this is how you interpreted it:
"As to which party official speaks for the other parties, Halifa shared
with us that there is no credible opposition or ruling party. What he should
have said was that his party PDOIS was not credible. Then he would have
been speaking for himself because he is more intimately aware of PDOIS'
credibility. i think he was echoing Waa's assertions that there is no credible
opposition. The problem is instead of focusing on his party's
credibility, he attempted to match Waa's cluelessness. In so doing he admitted Waa
may be right."
So here Evian you will notice that my notes were in response to your notes
and I encourage you to read your notes where you re-presented what Halifa
said. Then come back here and read the entire quote as it appeared in the
Foroyaa note, undoctored by you. What you will conclude is that even given
your sophomoric representation, my comment (Not interpretation) here does
capture the cluelessness of PDOISards fantastically. You see the APRC
supporters are smart people compared to Halifa. They are not interested in
selling the demerits of the ruling party because that is who they support. Now
Halifa advising them to ALSO say that there is no CREDIBLE RULING PARTY,
in addition to There is no CREDIBLE OPPOSITION PARTY, and that they will
have been both CORRECT and BALANCED is where he put his foot in his mouth.
Implicitly, Halifa agrees with their supposition that there is no CREDIBLE
opposition party as CORRECT. Because there is more than PDOIS in the
opposition parties, Halifa is thereby speaking for other parties. That is the
reason I shared the advice about when in court and accused of theft, your
defense ought not be that not only are you a thief in agreement with your
accuser, your accuser is also a thief. The grander picture Bailo is when you
consider you are an independent voter. And you hear Halifa utter such. How
does it make you feel about him and his incredulous party PDOIS. Forget
NADD at this time for there is really nothing in NADD besides PDOIS. Please
let me know if this is still not clear to you.
[So now let us focus on separating the chaff from the grain: Halifa
reported that "some supporters of the APRC said that the opposition parties in
the Gambia are not credible." This is factual. It is APRC supporters like
Waa Juwara as you conceded who are claiming the above; it is not Halifa as
you wrongly asserted. Halifa is merely a messenger who conveyed the
message. What Halifa opined in response is "They should also add that the ruling
party is not credible. Their assessment of Gambian politics as it stands
would then be correct and balanced."] Evian.
Inutile.
[I hope you would therefore accordingly revise your interpretation of Halif
a's statement to reflect the reality of what he expressed.] Evian.
I was not interpreting anything. I was translating. And there is no
further revision necessary.
[You aso wrote:
"I would encourage you to read Halifa's quotation again because I think
you misunderstood it. Not that it makes any significant difference whether
you understood it or not. It just throws your analysis of that part off
quilter a bit. That is the bit about "Not excluding acceptance of
candidature". There Halifa is speaking of himself and not the candidature of other.
Share with us your renewed understanding."] Evian regurgitating what Haruna
shared.
[As you encouraged, I referred again to the relevant statement of Halifa
as follows (emphasis mine):
"Even though I am not excluding acceptance of candidature, I have already
declared that the best option is to select a neutral candidate who will be
able to run a non partisan transitional cabinet for a period of 2 to 5
years and then step aside after a genuine multiparty contest. It is left to
Gambians to decide whether they have a better way forward."] Evian
repeating.
[My understanding of the statement remains the same even though I admit
that Halifa did not qualify whose candidature he meant.] Evian.
Halifa did not need to qualify whose candidature he spoke of. The English
is sound and very good. If it were you or Mams I would have asked for
further clarification.
[He did not indicated either "my" or "any" to give us precision of
reference to candidature.] Evian.
Bailo, the MY is implicit. That happens all the time in conversations in
English. Just for fun, let us replace MY with ANY just before candidature.
That would not have been the best sentence structure but it still tells you
Halifa is speaking of himself. This is because MY is the ownership litmus
but ANY goes to the quality of the candidature and not domain. Hey Allah,
I hope you understand me. So let's extend the semantic game further; Let
us say Halifa meant Ousainou, OJ, Hamat, or Waa's candidature, and insert
any of these names just before candidature. Now you will agree with me that
Halifa does not have the purview of accepting other's candidature. Do you
agree? If you don't just ask yourself where is the authority for Halifa to
ACCEPT a dog-catcher's candidature????? He can ascend to their
candidatures when they accept accept it themselves and the way he does that is by
voting his desire or ascension. These are some of the games Shaky Shaky plays
with English in order to improve himself. Please let me know if you need
further ideas on these and others.
[In essence, he might have been referring to his own candidature or
someone else's.] Evian.
Unless he is retarded, he could not have been referring to any other's
candidature.
[It is for him to help clarify.] Evian.
I don't need Halifa to clarify and I am certain most of our coleagues
don't need any further clarification of the statement. Let us save Halifa the
mental gymnastics where he could try to manufacture extraneous meaning.
That will be a bigger problem for the man.
[Whatever he meant, I know that either interpretations are possible.]
Evian.
You do the tests and convince yourself either way. It is easy. You can do
it Bailo.
[In conclusion, I think you have mistakenly fallen for that proverbial
saying of comparing apples and oranges in the following statement of yours:
"Halifa endorsing Ousainou's candidature will be equal to you or me
endorsing Ousainou's candidature or Halifa's candidature at this point in time.
There is not much basis for that."] Evian repeating what Haruna shared.
[In order words, you have over-rated yourself and me at to be at par with
Halifa;] Evian.
No. I am not at par with Halifa. Just ask him. We are of different mettle
and polarly opposite ambition.
[the latter is a political known and both you and me are virtual political
unknowns.] Evian.
Well. Do you want to be a political known Bailo????? I can make your arse
famous in a jiffy. You might not like what you become famous for though.
Political known. I have not heard such cacamayme since Moussa Camara shared
Mbaranbirinbiring with me in 1982 in Kuntaur.
[Therein lies the difference between us Halifa's endorsement of any
candidature.] Evian.
I see.
[Cheers] Evian.
Cheers to you too. And don't try to be cute with your Grand Pa again. If
you know what is good for you, you'll turn in your PDOIS armband.
I still love you though.
Haruna.
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Subject: Foroyaa News : HALIFA SALLAH COMMENTS AFTER THE APRC TOUR
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Date: Thursday, 4 February, 2010, 0:41
Foroyaa News : HALIFA SALLAH COMMENTS AFTER THE APRC TOUR, NO CREDIBLE
RULING PARTY NO CREDIBLE OPPOSITION A NEW WAY FORWARD NEEDED
After the completion of the APRC tour, Foroyaa approached Halifa Sallah
for comments.
This is what he said:
“Political leaders should tell their supporters the truth. A political
vacuum exists in the Gambia. Some supporters of the APRC said that the
opposition parties in the Gambia are not credible. They should also add that the
ruling party is not credible. Their assessment of Gambian politics as it
stands would then be correct and balanced. Some leaders who do not want to
be honest to their supporters are trying to give the impression that the
statistics I have been putting out are over statements. They are not telling
their supporters the truth. Political leaders should tell the truth. For
only the truth shall set us free. I have relied on empirical evidence to
conclude that at this very moment we do not have a credible ruling party or
opposition party. We have a duty to create both. Those who are offended by
this statement are not prepared to do what is necessary to save Gambian
politics from being an exercise in mediocrity.
After the presidential elections in 2006, I wrote a pamphlet in which I
quoted the statistics to confirm my assertion. Gambians have to be reminded
these statistics to awaken each from our political apathy.
According to the IEC, 670, 336 voters were registered prior to the 2006
presidential elections. When the results were delivered the IEC indicated
that the APRC candidate who was also supported by the NCP had 264,404 votes.
If this is subtracted from the total number of registered voters it would
mean that 405,932 voters did not vote for the APRC candidate. The UDP
candidate who was also supported by NRP and GPDP had 104,808 votes, while the
NADD candidate had 23,473 votes. The total votes of the opposition amounted
to 128,281 votes. If this is subtracted from the total number of
registered voters it would be apparent that 542,055 voters did not vote for the
opposition. Wherein lies the credibility of the ruling party and the
opposition party if politics is reduced to its lowest common denominator as contest
based on the number of votes.
Interestingly enough, in 2001 the APRC candidate had 242,302 votes when
it forged no alliance with the NCP. At that time there were 501,304
registered voters. Suffice it to say, even though the number of voters increased
by 169032, by 2006 the votes of the APRC could only increase by 22,102
votes. The UDP candidate had 149,448 votes in 2001. Even though it developed
alliance with NRP, which had 35,671 votes in 2001, its votes went down
104,808 votes in the 2006 elections, despite the increase in the number of
registered voters by 169032 voters.
Foroyaa: What is your advise?
It is therefore necessary for political leaders to go back to the drawing
board and map out a new way forward. How is the opposition to attract the
542,055 voters who did not vote for them is the subject at hand. This is
what Agenda 2011 is all about. Even though I am not excluding acceptance of
candidature, I have already declared that the best option is to select a
neutral candidate who will be able to run a non partisan transitional
cabinet for a period of 2 to 5 years and then step aside after a genuine
multiparty contest. It is left to Gambians to decide whether they have a better
way forward.
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