I agree Peter.
His emergence is of a field in which he has been a provocateur.
We know in emergence theory that emergent events exert downward non-linear “causation" on that from which they are emergent. This is a sub- and supervenient relationship.
Trump is both the swamp gas emergent of the swamp and the swamp itself. :)
I agree with Maher, by the way. Both sides deny the science that is inconvenient to them. But his characterization of gender issues is uninformed. Does he really know nothing about them? Seems he does.
Dan
> On Feb 3, 2024, at 10:56 AM, Peter Philippson <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
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> No, he was the enabler, but he would have been nobody without people who said 'Well he isn't presidential, but he fulfills our/God's purpose.' Now who would have said that?!
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> By the way, field theory doesn't say that an individual isn't very powerful at times.
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> Peter
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> On Sat, 3 Feb 2024 at 00:26, Philip Brownell <[log in to unmask] <mailto:[log in to unmask]>> wrote:
>> Ya know. He alone, all by himself pulled the entire country apart. Where is your field theory right now Peter? It’s just not that simple.
>> Sent from my iPhone
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>>> On Feb 2, 2024, at 4:50 PM, Peter Philippson <[log in to unmask] <mailto:[log in to unmask]>> wrote:
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>>> Weasel, weasel, weasel...
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>>> You are a distinterested social experimenter who supported the guy who as we predicted pulled apart the social fabric of your country IN THE NAME OF CONSERVATISM.
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>>> Peter
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>>> On Fri, 2 Feb 2024, 22:56 Philip Brownell, <[log in to unmask] <mailto:[log in to unmask]>> wrote:
>>>> I’m not desperate Peter. Desperation not in the equation. I’m just quoting Bill Maher as a kind of social experiment/ Rorschach test. You know what might a person say to this? And there you are.
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>>>> Phil
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
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>>>>> On Feb 2, 2024, at 3:48 PM, Peter Philippson <[log in to unmask] <mailto:[log in to unmask]>> wrote:
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>>>>> You must be desperate Phil.
>>>>>
>>>>> On the one hand there are people trying to turn America into a fascist theocracy, invading the seats of power and threatening to kill those they disagree with, threatening democracy, achieving the legal a system, or denying climate emergencies while parts of America burns. On the other hand there are some people whose proprioceptive sense of themselves is of a different gender to their outer physical appearance. I know, let's find a form of weasel words that makes them as bad as each other.
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>>>>> Desperate indeed!
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>>>>> Peter
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>>>>> On Fri, 2 Feb 2024, 15:46 Philip Brownell, <[log in to unmask] <mailto:[log in to unmask]>> wrote:
>>>>>> Bill Maher: "When historians look back in a hundred years, if we're still here, I don't think they're going to divide the country like we do into these two camps. They're going to say: As a people, they were obnoxious. It happens in different forms on both sides. As a people, they didn't believe in science. On the right, they think global warming is a hoax or whatever nonsense they believe about that. And on the left, they think men can have babies. That's what they'll say. They'll say, ‘As a people, they just lost their s--t.’”
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