Ah Demba my friend. As I expected, you were only expressing a personal
opinion geared toward inuring distrust among coleagues. I will again use your
own notes for consistency sakes.
[In a message dated 6/15/2010 2:51:15 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
[log in to unmask] writes:Haruna, I do not intend to labor into debates for the sake
of it,] My Demba.
Demba while I await the Braseeeeel-North Korea match, I do remind you that
Haruna does not debate on Ellen or other e-community. So you're safe as you
shy away from Labouring debates and circumstance. I just want to allay
your fears in that regard.
[but just want to add that UDP does not belong to a group of people or
individuals.] Demba.
Exactly. So the UDP belongs to you and Hon. Hamat Bah of the NRP would you
at least grant that? By virtue of being a political party, the UDP, NRP,
GMC, ppp, nadd, and BUDOIS all belong to all Gambians or at least that is
the idea. Political party means a party of the polity. You are a polity. I am
a polity. Olly Mboge is a polity. Joey is a polity. Suntou is a polity.
Haruna is a polity. The word polity is an adjective.
[UDP or any other political party seeks to represent all Gambians and the
last time I checked I was still Gambian.] Demba.
So my friend Demba, you confirm here again that because you are Gambian
(and there is no challenge to your Gambianness, real or imagined. You don't
need to doublecheck your Gambianness Demba. It is intrinsic.) and because you
are interested in Gambia's governance, you declare that the UDP, and even
though you did not specifically say this, the NRP, GMC, ppp, nadd, APRC,
and PDOIS, all belong to you in the same way they belong to your fellow
citizens. You are a great man Demba and I am proud to be your fellow citizen.
[I therefore do not need to be part of UDP or NRP to issue what I think is
an independent citizen observation.] Demba.
Exactly. That's a given. Neither do you need to belong to APRC, GMC, ppp,
nadd, or PDOIS to issue observations independent citizen or not. Your
independence as a citizen is in the eye of the beholder of your observation and
your station in the life of your country. It is not for you to ascertain
your own "independence" no matter how steadfastly you believe in it. Reminds
me of my VIetnamese friend Duk when he shared with me once "harara my sitta
will maha good wife for ya! Demba don't make me laugh men. I have always
known you to be funny, even when you're serious.
[I am entitled to my opinions and please let me make them.....] Demba.
Well go ahead, make your opinions. I encourage that in all citizens of all
countries. Opinions are a dime a dozen. There are as many opinions on any
one issue on earth as there are humans. And some of them are crazy. you
should hear my friend from Gujjarat make his opinons about Amarikans. Demba you
haven't heard opinions of others yet until you hear this fellow.
Outlandish is what I call him. And he's a snake charmer by profession. He just
moonlights at the gas station he happened to own.
[I have no beef against Hamat or UDP...] Demba.
Demba you do not need to convince me or your fellow citizen that you have
no beef against Hon. Hamat and or the UDP. For all you know it could be
chicken you have against them. We will determine that from your opinions and
other emissions. You still haven't shared with us why you give counsel to the
UDP to be wary of Hon. Hamat, their friend and coleague. And fellow
citizen. WHo also is entitled to his opinions. Unless of course you want to take
away Hon. Hamat's freedoms to expression and association.
[I was simply expressing my concerns and observations on the
inconsistencies I have seen as far as Hamat is concern.] Demba.
Watch your tenses Demba. Any other person I will disown them. But woe
betide me if I should even consider disowning you, myself. I ain't that stupid.
Just watch the tenses. SO you were simply expressing your "concerns" and
observations on the "inconsistencies" YOU have seen in Hon. Hamat. And I have
since simply shared with you that it is odious to use YOUR concerns and
observations to inure distrust and division among your fellow citizens, and
that it is presumptuous of you to give such malignant counsel to a
political party that belongs to all of us as you declared. Do you understand now?
The use of the word "simply" does not afford you any indemnification here.
So I would drop that cacamayme word.
[I was only referencing a bitter lesson UDP might have learned from Waa
Juwara] Demba.
SInce you mentioned UWaa, I want to share with you that the UDP, NRP, GMC,
APRC, ppp, nadd, and BuDOIS all learned their lessons from UWaa. How would
you commute that lesson of UWaa to Hon. Hamat when....
[and Hamat is acting like that....] Demba.
You only opine (not based on any fact or experience with Hon. Hamat) that
Hon. Hamat may be acting like UWAA???? You see how your logic doesn't make
any sense? ANd you're just trying to cover your shortcomings instead of
confront them head on and apologise to Hon. Hamat and the UDP and move on with
your life, free to make another opinion. Not counsel the UDP in Division,
distrust, and discord.
[Again, I was simply expressing my opinion and cautioning on some genuine
observation.] Demba.
Demba, you like using the words (your opinions) "simply" and "genuine".
What will it take for you to understand that those words are opinions? And
they are the most dangerous words criminals like to use. Show me any convicted
felon who doesn't use these words profusely to worm their ways out of the
crimes they comit.
[Just for the record, Gambia's governing and political situation is so
dire, so distasteful that I have promise myself to rise above individual party
politics as far as Gambia is concern...] Demba.
Do you know Demba who made Gambia's governing and political atmosphere so
dire, so distasteful?????? Partly, it is people who pit friends and family
against one another and create the mirage of ethnic division etcetera. I
hope you can appreciate your contribution toward Gambia's current state of
affairs. And you must acknowledge that your discomfort and or distaste does
not constitute an emergency on the part of your fellow citizens. I know you
like to think so. But trust me we can spot evil whenever it rears its head.
[We either strive to find a collective solution to our political problems
or we will go down together and be even bitter come dawn 2011.] Demba.
I think from your emissions Demba, you are quickening the eventuality of
the common decrepitude of dawn 2011 that you pray for.
[Thanks.] Demba.
You're most welcome my friend and brother. I encourage you to reconnoitre
right. For Gambia's sakes. I still believe in you. Haruna.
On Mon, Jun 14, 2010 at 7:04 PM, Haruna Darbo <[log in to unmask]
(mailto:[log in to unmask]) > wrote:
Mr. Baldeh, Demba, how are you? I noticed you used some strong language in
relation to Hon. Hamat and I think they are out of place. I will use your
notes to explain why.
[-----Original Message----- From: Demba Baldeh [log in to unmask]
(mailto:[log in to unmask]) To: GAMBIA-L [log in to unmask]
(mailto:[log in to unmask]) Sent: Mon, Jun 14, 2010 3:36 pm Subject: Re:
Hamat Bah at the UDP Congress
With all due respect... Hamat should equally zip his mouth.] Demba.
WHy should Hon. Hamat zip his mouth Demba?
[While I congratulate the UDP on their successful congress, they should
watch Hamat.] Demba.
WHy should the UDP watch Hon. Hamat Demba? This smacks of creating
distrust among coleagues. You must have a good reason to counsel thusly.
[Gambia doesn't need seasonal politicians who disappears and resurface
only few months before elections.] Demba.
You mean Demba doesn't need ....... It is burdensome to speak for all of
us Demba especially where you counsel us on our relations with our fellows.
Besides that, Hon. Hamat is the leader of NRP, a political party in Gambia.
I don't know if you are a member of NRP's executive or rank and file but I
hazard not. Do you not think Hamat knows best how he ought to complete the
affairs of NRP and her campaign parameters? I think all politicians
disappear from public view on occasion and reappear a few months before
elections. Do you think Hon. Hamat is unique in that? A politician vies for votes of
an electorate and there usually is a calendar for elections. Is this why
you warn the UDP to watch Hon. Hamat? I think not Demba.
[As much as Hamat may be my brother I question his sincerity in becoming a
genuine political partner.] Demba.
Demba, brother or not, are you seeking genuine political partnership with
Hon. Hamat or the NRP? Have you informed them of your desire for such
partnership? Besides, why would your political partnership with Hon. Hamat inure
caution for distrust for the UDP? Surely you must have a good reason why
you counsel the UDP to watch Hon. Hamat. And is it your place to issue such
ignominious counsel to a political party of which you may not be member.
And of another political party of which you may not be member? We must be
very careful about pretenses and false agency, particularly where that may
inure distrust and division.
[Remember Hamat was the first to decline party lead coalition during the
NADD discussion.] Demba.
And Hon. Hamat has the authority and the discernment to make such
decisions on the behalf of the he leads. WOuld you grant him that right and
privilege? Is this why you counsel the UDP to watch Hon. Hamat? I must not believe
what I'm hearing from you Demba. I am thoroughly disappointed. Perhaps
toward the tail-end of your notes I will chance on the reason. I haven't so
far. Or are you saying that Hon. Hamat, having decried party-led coalition
prior, and then to embrace an alliance with the UDP (which is a party-led
alliance, NOT a party-led COALITION) therefore Hon. Hamat is liable to change
his mind from time to time and therefore he may not be
reliable?????????????????????
Well Demba let's assume the UDP-NRP alliance is a party-led COALITION for
conversation sakes. Then the two positions of Hon. Hamat are starkly
contradictory. I submit to you that Hon. Hamat is right to change his mind at any
time he deems appropriate for the interest of NRP don't you suppose?
Afterall NRP, like UDP, like GMC, Like ppp, like nadd, like PDOIS, is a
POLITICAL PARTY where decisions for the ware of the party are made in consonance
with the wishes of their constituencies. POLITICS is verily about
repositioning and readjusting positions. I only went to this length because I think
you sincerely believed that the UDP/NRP alliance was a COALITION. The
difference is material. ANd the two parties called it an alliance named ARC. NOW
NADD would have been a coalition if it were successful. What Hon. Hamat was
saying was that he did not like the idea of one party subsuming the other
parties which I agree with wholeheartedly. That has no bearing on the
UDP/NRP alliance.
[He was a no show when there were leadership nominations.] Demba.
Demba I think Hon. Hamat was absent at the time because he had to attend
to more grievous matter. And besides, there were representatives of NRP and
Hon. Hamat had communicated his position to that body prior. Why would this
be a reason for the UDP to be suspicious of Hon. Hamat? I think Demba you
used inordinately strong words here and they are malignant as to Hon.
Hamat. I suggest you apologise and if you still believe in what you are saying,
to temper your counsel or its intended audience.
[If he was there he would have seconded Darboe's nomination, or at the
very least instruct Dullo Bah to second that nomination.] Demba.
And what is wrong with that?????? Why would you then create distrust
between the UDP and NRP in this manner Demba? Do you not think your counsel
should go to another party that is not UDP?
[So he was partly responsible for the confusion at the then NADD
nomination.] Demba.
Confusion did not play any role in the nadd disintegration, nomination, or
other. Every single one of the partners in nadd knew exactly what they
were doing. If they do not know what their partners were doing or what their
partners' positions were, they should not have proceeded to the nomination
phase until they are clear on the parameters of their negotiations. Wouldn't
you say? Besides, none of the partners shared with us they were confused
at any point in the nadd fiasco.
[Also few weeks ago he came out and said they were not interested in any
opposition unity, now he is attending UDP congress acting as an allied.]
Demba.
For the record, Hon. Hamat stated he was not interested in another
coalition. He did not say he was not interested in any opposition unity. The two
are markedly different. Opposition unity is a benign statement. For example,
you could say you are interested in opposition unity but go about your
singular business until such unity is appreciated. Besides, unity in purpose
and demarche does not a coalition mean. Demba I'm having trouble
understanding why you would issue such a counterproductive and insiduous counsel to
the UDP. You seem to be groping for reason. Help us understand your reasoning
please.
[Many people have questioned the relationship between NADD, PDOIS, PPP and
NDAM? Why are we not questioning the relationship between UDP and NRP?]
Demba.
The relationship between UDP and NRP is colegial and healthy. Do you have
other questions regarding that relationship Demba? And when you receive an
answer from NRP officials and UDP officials, will you believe their answers
to your queries of them? WHy would you having questions about the
relationship between UDP and NRP degenerate into inuring distrust among the
coleagues Demba?
[Hamat to me is acting like a spoiler just like Waa Juwara did in NADD.]
Demba.
Well that is opinion Demba. And it is yours. No one can take that away
from you. I guess what I don't understand is why your opinion of Hon. Hamat
should be significant to the UDP?
[He acts prominent when the NRP is pretty much a one man or two man
party...] Demba.
Hon. Hamat is a prominent and an extraordinary leader of an opposition
party in Gambia Demba. His prominence is no cause for concern or suspicion for
the UDP. Or should it be? Yourself, you are a prominent member of our
community. Is that reason for your fellow community members to distrust you or
be suspicious of you?
[I have reservations about a politician like him...] Demba.
We understand that Demba. You have shared as much with us. But why should
the UDP also have reservations about Hon. Hamat simply because Demba woke
up on the wrong side of his bed one day??? I don't get it.
[besides what measure does NRP has to gauge its size....?] Demba.
Did you ask the NRP??? WIll you be willing to go on the campaign trail
with Hon. Hamat to verify for yourself?
[The tribal card played during 2006 is non existence...] Demba.
What tribal card? You care to share with us what you mean Demba? And why
should that be reason for the UDP to be suspicious of Hon. Hamat if your
story is to be believed?
[as far as am concern... NRP is as small as GMC, NDAM or PDOIS.... ] Demba.
Ok. This still is your opinion not based on fact. If it is based on fact,
would you share those facts with us? And why would the size of NRP be
reason for the UDP to be suspicious of NRP and Hon. Hamat???
[Gambians should never allow themselves to be used by these so called
politicians...] Demba.
RIght. So we should allow ourselves to be used by Demba instead!!!! Allahu
Wakubaru Demba. You are disappointing me my man.
[So what we need is serious people who are willing to work towards unity
not acting as a big man...] Demba.
I see. You want serious people who act like small men. WHere are the women
in your equation Demba. And who is this we that needs serious clowns?
[individually they are all zip and just wasting time period!!!] Demba.
Well if they are all zip, how do you know who should watch whom Demba. You
are the most confusing man I have ever met Demba. What??? I hope you had a
good reason to malign the character of Hon. Hamat in this manner.
Haruna.
On Mon, Jun 14, 2010 at 11:52 AM, UDP United Kingdom
<[log in to unmask] (mailto:[log in to unmask]) > wrote:
Ms Sukuna,
Thanks for your comments. However, I think Hon. Bah has actually
demonstrated how his party platform compliments that of the UDP and verse versa when
he talked about an alliance between the two parties whenever necessary.
Whatever you may think of his ‘shut-up’ comment which I believe is fitting,
the refusal of other opposition leaders to honour UDP’s invitation to grace
the Soma Congress is more damaging to the prospect of opposition unity
than Hon. Bah's 'shut-up' comment. So please get over it and carry on with
the good work you are doing for the Save The Gambia Democracy Project.
Kind regards
Daffeh
On 14/06/2010, Halima Sukuna <[log in to unmask]
(mailto:[log in to unmask]) > wrote:
Hi Mr. Daffeh,
I understand he was an invited guest but, he could have been plugging how
his party's platform compliments the UDP's while praising the UDP and both
would have benefited without even having to mention a thing about the other
parties who for reasons, best known to them, did not attend. In fact, he
didn't even mention the name or names of the parties he was referring to
which to me is even more of a disrespectful move on this part. I understand
being direct but, I believe there is an art to it that gets your message
across without demeaning the integrity of the other parties and the people
that they represent.
Thanks for sharing your perspective,
Chris
____________________________________
From: UDP United Kingdom <[log in to unmask]
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To: [log in to unmask] (mailto:[log in to unmask])
Sent: Mon, June 14, 2010 4:22:08 AM
Subject: Re: Hamat Bah at the UDP Congress
This was not an occasion for Hon. Bah to educate folks on his party
programmes as it was not an NRP platform. He was an invited guest, and he
certainly rose up to the occasion with that fitting speech.
As for the shut-up comment, I think sometimes it is necessary that leaders
are blunt and speak the hard truth even to the disliking of their own
supporters. If the leaders of the small parties had honoured the invitation
extended to them by the UDP and grace the occasion, they would have had the
opportunity to respond to Mr. Bah’s comment. The fact that among all the
party leaders, only Mr. Bah honoured UDP's invitation shows that he is more
interested in the unity you alluded to than those you seek to defend here.
Kind regards
Daffeh
On 14 June 2010 09:43, Halima Sukuna <[log in to unmask]
(mailto:[log in to unmask]) > wrote:
"According to the former Upper Saloum strong Parliamentarian, those “small
parties” which are making noise should “shut up their mouths” as they
don't even pulled 3% of the votes in the past elections. He said the UDP
captures over 42% of the votes, and that such a landmark voter achievement on
the side of the UDP, had proven the said parties wrong following the
collapse of the opposition merger." and my personal favorite after uttering the
above. ""He finally called on the UDP supporters to be law abiding and
always promote unity, peace, tolerance and unity in the country: (Bolded for
emphasis.)
NRP-National Reconciliation Party. Rather an ironic name for a party
whose leader makes statements like the first one mentioned above against fellow
parties in the struggle to liberate a country. I think there should be a
disclaimer following the party name if the above statement accurately
depicts the feeling of all members of the party. To me, a true leader, one with
the heart and soul bent on moving a country forward would not spend a minute
trying to downtroaden "smaller parties" who also are in the struggle but,
would efficiently try to discuss with their readers how their party can
contribute to improving the 42% vote against the current regime. 42%, while
significant won't suffice and with elections not too far off, perhaps
educating folks on your parties plans might carry more weight than taking
unnecessary swipes at other parties.
Mr. Bah may want to re-strategize his tactics and take his own advise to
heart first before asking others to do what he seemingly has difficulty
doing himself.
Chris
____________________________________
From: Haruna Darbo <[log in to unmask] (mailto:[log in to unmask]) >
To: [log in to unmask] (mailto:[log in to unmask])
Sent: Sun, June 13, 2010 5:16:50 PM
Subject: Re: Hamat Bah at the UDP Congress
Allahu Wakubaru. Integrity and pragmatism displayed so exquisitely. I
commend Hon. Hamat Bah for accepting the invitation of the UDP to grace the
latter's congress. Like Hon. Cellou Dalein Diallo of Hon. Sidya Touray, there
is no better amicus than the one emanating from your peers.
I continue to encourage the NRP leadership to be more vigilant in
disseminating the message of this wonderful leader during his campaigns and I
encourage UDP to set up an Inter-party Liaison committee so that their synergies
can be more efficiently brought to bear. This inter-party Liaison
committee comprising now of UDP and NRP grassroots organisers should be in
continuous conversation with GMC, ppp, nadd, and PDOIS for possible amalgamation of
efforts, and must be able to accommodate a full union between any two,
three, four, or all constituent parties.
I encourage Dullo Bah and NRP leaders in the Diaspora to join us here at
Ellen to share their party and her program of activities with us. I am
confident that NRP or the UDP can become Gambia's governance party at any
moment. Therefore, it will only be proper to prepare yourselves for this
prospective governance.
I hail Hon. Hamt Bah, Hon. Ousainou Darboe, and their party rank and file
and they have my prayer and support until election time. And this is
whether they contest any election together or singularly.
Its a great day for Gambia.
Haruna.
-----Original Message-----
From: UDP United Kingdom <[log in to unmask]
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To: GAMBIA-L <[log in to unmask]
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Sent: Sun, Jun 13, 2010 3:54 am
Subject: Hamat Bah at the UDP Congress
Breaking News: Gambia: Darboe Is A True Son Of The Gambia—Says Hamat Bah
Darboe Is A True Son Of The Gambia—Says Hamat Bah
SMALL PARTIES MAKING NOISE SHOULD “SHUT UP.”—HAMAT BAH
By Staff Reporter Bakary Gibba, Soma
The Party Leader and Secretary General of The National Reconciliation
Party (NRP’S) Hamat NK Bah, has described the UDP Leader Lawyer Ousainou
Darboe as a “true and devoted son” of The Gambia, who has sacrificed his life
for the betterment of the country. Mr. Bah was speaking Saturday June
12th 2010 at the UDP National Congress in Jarra Soma Lower River Region (LRR).
He said the “simple reason” for his alliance with the UDP was to unseat
the APR Government and restore true democracy and the rule of law in The
Gambia—emphasizing that in order for any credible alliance to take place, the
minority parties must join the majority, explaining that this was the
reason why he reached an opposition merger with the UDP.
"We agreed to partner for three elections that is the presidential,
parliamentary and the local government elections, which were all successfully
held. Am now going with my normal political activities as i planned to tour
the whole of the Upper Saloum Constituency,” he said but was quick to add
that he would not hesitate to form an alliance with the UDP again whenever
the need arises.
According to the former Upper Saloum strong Parliamentarian, those “small
parties” which are making noise should “shut up their mouths” as they
don't even pulled 3% of the votes in the past elections. He said the UDP
captures over 42% of the votes, and that such a landmark voter achievement on
the side of the UDP, had proven the said parties wrong following the
collapse of the opposition merger.
Bah who has just returned from an overseas trip told the UDP supporters to
remain steadfast and rally behind their leader Lawyer Ousainanou Darboe.
He said despite the short notice, upon receipt of the invitation to grace
the UDP Congress, he had to travel to Soma to join his colleagues in gracing
the Congress.
Mr. Bah said like the UDP, his party is equally committed to the
restoration of democracy, and rule of law in The Gambia. He said the UDP is the
biggest opposition party in the country, and all other political parties
should team up with the UDP to dislodge the APRC administration from power.
Ousainou Darboe, according to Hamat Bah, is a “sincere and honest guy”
who has devoted all his time for Gambia since 1994 and had stood for the
country’s liberation from self perpetual rule. He said UDP supporters should
be proud of Lawyer Darboe—describing him as a true son of this country—
whose legacy is here to stay. He said Darboe is a good role model who should
be emulated by our kids and grand kids.
He finally called on the UDP supporters to be law abiding and always
promote unity, peace, tolerance and unity in the country
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