Been a long time since I've heard from this list. I thought I'd post a few new Youtube vids to contribute food for thought.
Electron microscope pic studies like this are new and contribute a lot of information to the issues of Metabolic Syndrome. I put a timer on it so it starts by showing how a carbohydrate meal contributes to inflammation with damage to the arterial glycocalyx. To understand it better, watch the whole video. https://youtu.be/ofq-8ToY2fc?t=1483
The popularity of our paleo diet has brought about the public's desire to eat more protein. In recent decades breakfast has had less protein. So the companies are responding.
One example is New! Cheerios Protein. On this page: http://www.fooducate.com/app#!page=product&id=538A2606-4CBF-45EA-4857-968B8EEC8B0E
If you scroll down you will find the ingredient list. Sugar appears many times in different forms. And where does the protein come from? Why soy protein. What else is so cheap.
Your post reminds me of someone I dealt with a few years ago. She was a bodybuilder and fitness model. For the most part, she had great (mostly paleo) advice for everyone at work... that is, until it came to soy protein.
Quick update. I am six weeks into an eight week experiment based primarily on Phinney and Volek’s excellent Art and Science of Low Carbohydrate Living. Really, it’s a moderate protein, low carb (zero), moderate to low fat diet. Yes, you read that right: moderate to low fat. No, I’m not afraid of fat! But, yes, my body has plenty of fat and therefore I don’t need to consume any for energy. (Supplementing fish oil occasionally when I’m not eating grass fed beef and lamb or wild fish). I’m using a scale, but I’m also using skin fold calipers.
> On Mar 15, 2017, at 8:07 AM, Jim Swayze <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > > Quick update. I am six weeks into an eight week experiment based primarily on Phinney and Volek’s excellent Art and Science of Low Carbohydrate Living. Really, it’s a moderate protein, low carb (zero), moderate to low fat diet. Yes, you read that right: moderate to low fat. No, I’m not afraid of fat! But, yes, my body has plenty of fat and therefore I don’t need to consume any for energy. (Supplementing fish oil occasionally when I’m not
Hello, it's good to hear about the zero carb experiment. I'm going to take this opportunity to mention that I've gone over to the Dark Side! Since August I've been following -- gasp -- a lowfat "whole food plant-based" diet! I was going to write about this a little while back during a brief flurry of messages about Dr. Fuhrman but I didn't get around to it. Anyway, here's the story...
Yes I do remember you and your excellent postings, from something like 20 years ago! It's certainly interesting to hear about your recent changes... just one question -- did you find the transition to a vegan diet difficult in terms of satiety? That has always been my stumbling block in my attempts to follow any type of vegetarian diet.
That's a very good question, Harris. The answer is, satiety has not been a problem, as long as I stick to the McDougall-style plan, as opposed to some others, such as Fuhrman's (which I know about only by hearsay). McDougall's program is based on starches, which are highly satiating. Attempting to avoid starches and eat mainly low-density fruits and vegetables always failed for me. These foods could be temporarily satiating but hunger would quickly return. I should note in passing that I always had a similar problem with very low-carb eating. I'd consume large quantities of fat at a meal
Have you ever followed a very low carb, moderate protein, low fat regimen? (Moderate protein = 1.5 to 2.5 daily grams of animal-based protein per reference body weight in kilograms)
Hello Jim. It's been a while (a long while) since I've attempted to execute that kind of formal control of macros, so I can't really answer your question. On the subject of protein, I recall how Amadeus Schmidt used to make the case here, a very long time ago, that little protein needs to be consumed, due to the body's incredible efficiency at recycling. At the time, I mostly ignored his arguments. Now I've come to the view that Amadeus was right. It's very difficult not to get enough protein if you are getting enough food in general.
I don’t know that the research bears out your statement that it’s impossible when losing weight not to lose some muscle — at least when following the regimen I’m currently following. Again, I’ve gained muscle mass while working out less. Whatever the case, I’d be very curious how you might do following the Volek and Phinney approach.
Jim, my claim was that it's impossible to lose over 100 lbs without losing some muscle, not that it's impossible under all circumstances. Unless one were to do some very specific exercise to prevent it, musculature will adapt to load conditions. Very heavy people do tend to have quite large calf muscles, since these are needed at every step to propel the body forward in ordinary walking--moreso than even the quadriceps muscles, which in walking do less lifting and more stabilizing. But muscle gain and loss when dieting will depend on other factors as well, such as whether one is
Follow up. I finished the experiment on 3/31 and weighed 150.4 the morning of 4/1. So total weight loss in eight weeks was 18 pounds even.
The oddest part of the experience was feeling great one day and not well *at all* the next. I think it was because I was burning through fat in which my body had sequestered toxins. Any thoughts on that theory?
The good news to announce today is that on Friday, The BMJ announced that it is not retracting the article I wrote critiquing the science behind the Dietary Guidelines. The BMJ stood strongly by the article, including this comment by BMJ Editor-in-Chief, Fiona Godlee: “We stand by Teicholz’s article with its important critique of the advisory committee’s processes for reviewing the evidence, and we echo her conclusion: ‘Given the ever increasing toll of obesity, diabetes, and heart disease, and the failure of existing strategies to make inroads in fighting these diseases, there is an urgent need to provide
Book can be seen here: https://www.amazon.com/dp/0062249339
A friend is reading the book. I have not seen it before. He is attacking the paleo crowd for eating too much animal protein and too few nuts. Has anyone here read the book?
Joel Fuhrman is a big proponent of vegetarianism, and he recommends eating a lot of beans.
-----Original Message----- From: Paleolithic Eating Support List [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Don Wiss Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2016 8:19 PM To: [log in to unmask] Subject: [PALEOFOOD] The End of Dieting: How to Live for Life, by Joel Fuhrman
Book can be seen here: https://www.amazon.com/dp/0062249339
A friend is reading the book. I have not seen it before. He is attacking the paleo crowd for eating too much animal protein and too few nuts. Has anyone here read the book?
First we have Carrie Fisher dying of a heart attack at age 60. She followed the low fat Jenny Craig diet. She was a spokesperson for it. Then her mother, Debbie Reynolds, dies from a stroke at 84. She was a follower of the extremely low fat, high carb Pritiken diet.
This journal is published by the group that puts on an annual conference:
Let's not forget the other elements which conspired to cause the heart attack/failure of both George Michael and Carrie Fisher, Rick Parfitt, possibly Prince and other, seemingly fit and healthy 'not-so-old-famous-people'...
See - '2016 Is Not Killing People' https:[log in to unmask]
"Here is the thing, cocaine is the perfect heart attack drug, even if you only use it a few times a year. Cocaine users have higher blood pressure, stiffer arteries and thicker heart muscle walls — all which lead to heart attacks. 2016 did not cause mysterious illnesses to befall our favorite artists."
WARNING: My reply is purely anecdotal, and I know some on this list hate that kind of information.
For myself, low fat was very damaging. I faithfully ate low fat very similar to Pritikin for 3 years in the mid 1980's. I did lose a lot of weight, and I was the thinnest I have ever been. However, I also: 1. Caught every illness going around 2. Frequently needed a nap although I was in my mid 30's 3. Had numerous skin tags 4. Suffered from serious depression 5. My pap smear revealed dysplastic cells 6. Experienced very negative manifestations
They're all wrong. Debating over incomplete knowledge, no conclusion can ever be reached. It's like debating pneumonia prior to identifying bacteria. So it comes to opinion, a game in which persistence wins. And the most persistent are those whose pay depends upon it. Academics get paid if they fight or not. But they can get a lot of bonus by singing for their supper.
Diabetes and Your Diet: The Low-Carb Debate By GINA KOLATA SEPT. 15, 2016
A few years ago, Richard Kahn, the now-retired chief scientific and medical officer of the American Diabetes Association, was charged with organizing a committee to prescribe a diet plan for people with diabetes. He began by looking at the evidence for different diets, asking which, if any, best controlled diabetes.
Before You Spend $26,000 on Weight-Loss Surgery, Do This
By SARAH HALLBERG and OSAMA HAMDY SEPT. 10, 2016
Earlier this year, the Food and Drug Administration approved a new weight-loss procedure in which a thin tube, implanted in the stomach, ejects food from the body before all the calories can be absorbed.
Some have called it "medically sanctioned bulimia," and it is the latest in a desperate search for new ways to stem the rising tides of obesity and Type 2 diabetes. Roughly one-third of adult Americans are now obese; two-thirds are overweight; and diabetes afflicts some 29 million.
The sugar industry paid scientists in the 1960s to play down the link between sugar and heart disease and promote saturated fat as the culprit instead, newly released historical documents show.
The internal sugar industry documents, recently discovered by a researcher at the University of California, San Francisco, and published Monday in JAMA Internal Medicine, suggest that five decades of research into the role of nutrition and heart disease, including many of today's dietary recommendations, may have been largely shaped by the sugar industry.
On Mon, Sep 12, 2016 at 10:18 PM Suzanne L <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> Thanks for sharing!!! > > ________________________________ > From: Paleolithic Eating Support List <[log in to unmask]> on > behalf of Don Wiss <[log in to unmask]> > Sent: Monday, September 12, 2016 7:30:17 PM > To: [log in to unmask] > Subject: How the Sugar Industry Shifted Blame to Fat > > From: > > http://www.nytimes.com/2016/09/13/well/eat/how-the-sugar-industry-shifted-blame-to-fat.html > > How the Sugar Industry Shifted Blame to Fat > > By ANAHAD O'CONNOR SEPT. 12, 2016 > > The sugar industry paid scientists in the 1960s to play down the link > between sugar and
I've recently read that canned salmon has to be wild, due to the fact that in the canning process they use smaller sized salmons, while farmed salmons are "harvested" when they reach their maximum dimensions for obvious economic reasons.
Is it a hoax? Can somebody confirm it?
thanks!
Emiliano
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I only eat salmon marked as "wild caught" or "Alaska salmon". Paula
-----Original Message----- From: Paleolithic Eating Support List [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of emiliano bussòlo Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2016 3:21 AM To: [log in to unmask] Subject: [PALEOFOOD] Canned Salmon
Hi everybody,
I've recently read that canned salmon has to be wild, due to the fact that in the canning process they use smaller sized salmons, while farmed salmons are "harvested" when they reach their maximum dimensions for obvious economic reasons.
My niece told me that she had heard that there was an ancient Human fossil found of a Paleo man who had arthritis. She was trying to prove to me that food didn't have to do with arthritis. I tried to find it on Google but wasn't successful.anyone know anything about this?. Thank you Sandy
On Mar 29, 2016 10:53 PM, Sandy Rzetelny <[log in to unmask]> wrote: Hi
My niece told me that she had heard that there was an ancient Human fossil found of a Paleo man who had arthritis. She was trying to prove to me that food didn't have to do with arthritis. I tried to find it on Google but wasn't successful.anyone know anything about this?. Thank you Sandy
There are one or two studies linking a cooked, palaeolithic diet with lower levels of inflammation, inflammation being one of the main causes of osteoarthritis.There are also a number of studies done on the link between AGEs/Advanced Glycation End Products and age-related diseases such as osteoarthritis:- "Among the consequences of chronic AGE consumption can be osteoarthritis [34,35] and atherosclerotic calcification [36], which underlie the chronic complications of diabetes [29, 37]." taken from:-
To add to the responses, Ayurveda acknowledges that each person is different, having a "metabolic type" (Dosha) that can change with the seasons, and with age,to a certain degree. There are foods that nourish the dosha (improving health) and there are other foods that will interfere. Improper use of foods over time can cause disease and arthritis - even if the foods are of high quality (organic, grass-fed, etc.). This leads to the many cleansing rituals that humans have used over the millennia, such as fasting and Panchakarma. -=mark=-
Arthritis can have many causes just like headaches can. Arthritis can be caused by injuries, for example. One definite cause for arthritis is food.
-----Original Message----- From: Paleolithic Eating Support List [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Jeff Hogan Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2016 11:21 PM To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: [PALEOFOOD] Ancient Paleo man with arthritis?
While I think that it would depend on the specific living and eating habits of the people in question, I would not initially consider any date within approx. 10,000 years as safe to call Paleo. AFAIK evidence of agriculture practice goes back at least 10,000 years so I would guess agriculture practice goes back a bit further as evidence degrades over time.
Thinking it's way too quiet out here, I thought I'd throw something in the ring in case of interest. Otherwise, where is everyone? Facebook?
Microbes and microbiomes ~ the new health frontier ~ in soils, plants, animals. Here's a free webinar opportunity to learn the basics, build a foundation of understanding and further improve nutrition and health. List Suzanne (me) as the one that let you know about it and if you can't make it "live" you'll receive the replay link. Feel free to share and bring your questions!
A friend that subscribes to the Paleo Magazine mailing list forwarded an e-mail offer from PaleoDork. Apparently it is an e-mail list of savings offers.
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> On Feb 6, 2016, at 6:02 AM, Don Wiss <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > > A friend that subscribes to the Paleo Magazine mailing list forwarded an e-mail offer from PaleoDork. Apparently it is an e-mail list of savings offers. > > For a limited time you can get a Paleo Resource Package with a value of over $1,000...For Free! Bundle includes: 62 E-Books, 26 Weeks of Meal Plans & 5+ Hours of Video. > > Details are below on this page: http://paleodork.com/ > > I have not signed up.
It wasn't my intent. I have Google Alerts on "paleo diet." I read some, and occasionally post comments. This hospital dietitian: http://siouxcityjournal.com/nancy-rosston/image_4166a6b5-4ca0-5150-93f3-a55dad781f91.html
Posted an article titled "Sioux City dietitian says popular fad diets are not sustainable"
I did write that she does not know much about the paleo diet. And I questioned where she got her information. She wrote that the paleo diet prohibits all root vegetables, including carrots. And that it allows seeds, and she couldn't understand why grains were disallowed if seeds weren't.
Don Wiss wrote: >It wasn't my intent. I have Google Alerts on "paleo diet." I read >some, and occasionally post comments. This hospital dietitian: >Posted an article titled "Sioux City dietitian says popular fad diets >are not sustainable"
They put the article back. Exactly the same as before. See: http://siouxcityjournal.com/lifestyles/health-med-fit/sioux-city-dietitian-says-popular-fad-diets-are-not-sustainable/article_c959c061-bb8d-5940-bae8-ff482fa29188.html
I don't see how an obese dietitian can write things like "a good diet is one that can be maintained over time." and "Where weight loss is important is for health reasons." and then opine on various weight loss diets.
Seasons greetings to all and I hope you're all having a healthy and happy Christmas.
I have a quick question. On a recent Dr Mercola video (he was demonstrating one of his breakfast recipes) he mentioned that our ancestors would have been consuming around 150 g of fibre per day. Assuming they didn't have access to large quantities of chia, flax, hemp or psyllium - I wondered where so much would have naturally come from? And what do people on this list deem to be good sources of fibre in paleo terms?
Hi Tracey. Merry Christmas from Texas. I don't understand the value of dietary fiber. Can you help me understand? Great to see activity in this list. Jim Swayze
Well - I'm no expert so, no, I probably can't help you understand it better. Dr Mercola might (http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2013/11/25/9-fiber-health-benefits.aspx) haha... But that doesn't explain my original question of where the 150 mg per day of fibre did come from in our ancestors!! Or where that figure even came from?
The 150g a day figure is absurd and cannot reflect a genuine palaeolithic diet such as our early modern man ancestors had. More than likely no fibre is needed at all. Those eating a 100% animal food diet, raw or otherwise, report not needing any fibre to make bowel movements. Palaeo peoples on ice-sheets would have had only small opportunities to eat fibre, such as in the summer, if at all. Geoff
Yes, on a diet predominantly of protein and fat I couldn't see where such a figure was coming from either. I wonder where Mercola got that from?
Many thanks for your responses.
Best wishes Tracey
-----Original Message----- From: Paleolithic Eating Support List [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Geoff Purcell Sent: 28 December 2015 13:34 To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: Paleo Fibre
The 150g a day figure is absurd and cannot reflect a genuine palaeolithic diet such as our early modern man ancestors had. More than likely no fibre is needed at all. Those eating a 100% animal food diet, raw or otherwise,
Fiber is not for bowel movements but to nourish the microbiome that's where health and fiber concerns focus today. If you don't eat a lot of coarse vegetables, you can use a packaged fiber blend. Jerusalem artichokes and jicama are good sources for prebiotic fiber
Meat-only cultures must have an adapted microbiome or have eaten the contents of the entrails of their game more than we assume
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Subject: Coprolites (was sat fat)
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Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2007 10:01:42 -0500 From http://www.mcmaster.ca/research/sciencecity/globe-article_poinar.htm ."It's one of the biggest crap deposits known," says Vaughn Bryant, an anthropologist at Texas A&M University who led the excavation of the Hinds Cave deposit in the mid-1970s and provided Dr. Poinar with the samples.
That's very surprising and interesting to read. Many thanks Wayne for passing that on.
Best wishes Tracey Netherlands
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Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2007 10:01:42 -0500 From http://www.mcmaster.ca/research/sciencecity/globe-article_poinar.htm ."It's one of the biggest crap deposits known," says Vaughn Bryant, an anthropologist at Texas A&M University who led the excavation of the Hinds Cave deposit in the mid-1970s and provided Dr. Poinar with the samples.
Thanks for the post. Unfortunately, none of the links lead to the paper nor can I google such work by the referenced scientist
Probably just me, but, can anybody help?
Thanks
Allan
On Tuesday, December 29, 2015, Tracey Baldrey <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> That's very surprising and interesting to read. Many thanks Wayne for > passing that on. > > Best wishes > Tracey > Netherlands > > -----Original Message----- > From: Paleolithic Eating Support List [mailto:[log in to unmask] > <javascript:;>] On Behalf Of WAYNE WYNN > > From: > Marilyn Harris < [log in to unmask] > > > Reply-To: >
On Tuesday, December 29, 2015, Allan Balliett <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> Wayne > > Thanks for the post. Unfortunately, none of the links lead to the paper > nor can I google such work by the referenced scientist > > Probably just me, but, can anybody help? > > Thanks > > Allan > > On Tuesday, December 29, 2015, Tracey Baldrey <[log in to unmask] > <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml',[log in to unmask]);>> wrote: > >> That's very surprising and interesting to read. Many thanks Wayne for >> passing that on. >> >> Best wishes >> Tracey >> Netherlands >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Paleolithic
On Tue, Dec 29, 2015 at 12:46 PM, Don Wiss <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> Allan Balliett wrote: > >Thanks for the post. Unfortunately, none of the links lead to the paper > nor > >can I google such work by the referenced scientist > > > https://web.archive.org/web/20130408135434/http://www.mcmaster.ca/research/sciencecity/globe-article_poinar.htm > > > https://web.archive.org/web/20150427210612/http://www.paleohacks.com/fiber/paleolithic-fiber-consumption-989 >
Great questions. But your conclusions that it’s likely our ancestors ate much more fiber than we is based on what more than personal speculation? One site does not a pattern make.
Jim
> > How exceptional is that site? Were other paleolithics eating less fibre than we do and less that one-tenth or one-fifteenth of that of the people of this site? Not likely. More likely is that the paleolithic diet generally contained multiple times the amount of fibre that ours does. > > Wayne Wynn > Burnaby, BC >
>Great questions. But your conclusions that it’s likely our ancestors ate much more >fiber than we is based on what more than personal speculation? One site does not a >pattern make.
My knee-jerk reaction is that ancient humans ate whatever they could get their hands on (that didn't kill them), whenever they could get their hands on it. The natural conclusion to that reaction is - sometimes they ate lots of fiber, sometimes not so much.
That’s been your take since we’ve been on this list and you may be right. While there are always outlying populations who would have had to eat what they could get their hands on, I think you overestimate scarcity of animal- and insect- based foods. And it seems to me you may underestimate the tendencies of humans to self select a range of foods that are truly required for health.
Let me finish this thought with a bit of an extreme example. Just because a particular population may have regularly ingested cyanide, doesn’t ipso facto make cyanide good for humans. The paleo standard has always seemed to me to be the types and classes of foods that humans consumed over the vast majority of our time here on earth. Individual populations may have adapted to a wider range, including certain grains for instance. But it seems to me you can’t go wrong with that definition of the paleo standard. How you then go on to define then what it is
That is a very good point. Pre-agriculture, we have to accept that plant food was simply not as widely available all year round. There is also a similiar argument used by Weston-Price advocates:- namely that since certain ancient hunter-gatherer tribes ate certain foods, that that fact made those very foods fully acceptable to modern humans, conveniently forgetting the fact that in palaeo times, megafauna etc. existed that perished well before the Neolithic era.
Looking up GcMAF (most of these (now dead) doctors including Nick Gonzalez and Dr. Bradstreet - along with many of the holistic doctors in FL - were researching or implementing this in their practices - people are having success curing or improving health conditions like autism and cancer especially in Europe). Perhaps pharmaceutical companies and the FDA would not want this to be implemented here in the US.
If I want an easy shrimp snack, or to include the shrimp in a salad (say with avocado, raw spinach, etc), I don't defrost first. I just microwave the frozen shrimp in a covered glass casserole dish. A couple minutes, then stir. Then another minute. You will have to experiment with the quantity (I weigh them) and your microwave. Do short intervals -- like a minute at a time -- to figure yours out.
The wild caught Argentinia Red/Pink Shrimp is in at Trader Joe's. Fully shelled for $9.99/lb, so hassle-free. This is the best deal around. And the shrimp are much tastier than the wild brown shrimp you can find elsewhere.
This is a seasonal item. It just came in last week. The season won't last. This is the time to stock up.
Jay CMD On 29/04/2015 1:46 am, "Shaun Hunter" <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> Guys, > > The main problem I have is the fact that I'm on SSDI and live in a > mixed-diet household ... and often, I'm "seduced" if that's the word, to > cheap fixes for my diet. Anyone got a bunch of "cheaper" ideas for eating > success? > --- KC/Shaun > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Paleolithic Eating Support List [mailto:[log in to unmask]] > On Behalf Of PALEOFOOD automatic digest system > Sent: Saturday, April 25, 2015 1:00 PM
The main problem I have is the fact that I'm on SSDI and live in a mixed-diet household ... and often, I'm "seduced" if that's the word, to cheap fixes for my diet. Anyone got a bunch of "cheaper" ideas for eating success? --- KC/Shaun
-----Original Message----- From: Paleolithic Eating Support List [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of PALEOFOOD automatic digest system Sent: Saturday, April 25, 2015 1:00 PM To: [log in to unmask] Subject: PALEOFOOD Digest - 31 Mar 2015 to 25 Apr 2015 (#2015-17)
He is certainly getting way more press than anyone else on the paleo diet. And he has successfully lost weight on it. Like many, many news articles a day mention paleo. Even this paper:
Jeb Bush Is Definitely, Grumpily Running ... Away From Calories http://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/25/us/politics/paleo-diet-in-and-pizza-out-a-slimmer-jeb-bush-seems-intent-on-staying-that-way.html
Now Hillary is also following the paleo diet somewhat. But the press is ignoring her diet.
> > He is certainly getting way more press than anyone else on the paleo > diet. And he has successfully lost weight on it. Like many, many news > articles a day mention paleo. Even this paper: > > Jeb Bush Is Definitely, Grumpily Running ... Away From Calories > http://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/25/us/politics/paleo-diet-in-and-pizza-out-a-slimmer-jeb-bush-seems-intent-on-staying-that-way.html > > Now Hillary is also following the paleo diet somewhat. But the press > is ignoring her diet.
Palaeodiets are mentioned in many articles nowadays but nearly always, at the bottom of the article there is a mention by some clueless, financially-motivated so-called "nutritionist/dietician" who claims that the palaeo diet is unrealistic in this modern age and tries, absurdly, to claim that we cannot possibly emulate our palaeo ancestors in any real way, and that grains and dairy are supposedly "necessary" in order to get all the right nutrients one needs.
Geoff Purcell wrote: >Palaeodiets are mentioned in many articles nowadays but nearly >always, at the bottom of the article there is a mention by some >clueless, financially-motivated so-called "nutritionist/dietician" who >claims that the palaeo diet is unrealistic in this modern age and >tries, absurdly, to claim that we cannot possibly emulate our palaeo >ancestors in any real way, and that grains and dairy are supposedly >"necessary" in order to get all the right nutrients one needs.
Seems like Dr. Stein wants it both ways. First the article says it has no significant benefit (at 1 gram/day, which is probably not enough to show therapeutic effect in someone that's already high risk IMHO). Then it says that combining it with aspirin or other blood thinners could be hazardous? If it has no significant effect, why would an insignificant change be so hazardous? I wonder if the study was done with regular fish oil, purified fish oil, or one of those new prescription fish oils the article mentions. Fish oil studies can quite easily be set up to
This may be a dumb question, but it it has high heat tolerance, what difference does it make if it's expeller pressed? Does the expeller get hotter than a cookstove? Just curious.
Don Wiss wrote: > > I have been using macadamia oil because of its high heat tolerance, > and ease of use (solid coconut oil is a pain to melt first). > > I had bought the oil in the gallon size at Slanker's. It is expeller > pressed and has Vitamin E added. Slightly cheaper is this: > > http://www.pipingrock.com/nutritional-oils/macadamia-nut-oil-6573 > > Cold pressed. No Vitamin E.
On Sun, Mar 29, 2015 at 05:53:05AM +0000, Jeff Hogan [[log in to unmask]] wrote (in part): | Janice | | I also wanted to get your opinion about the ALCAT test.
I tried to find some literature about the ALCAT tests and apparently much information is proprietary. But based on what I understand about immunology, ALCAT is very generalized (too generalized) and methodology depends on white cell reactions to various apparently proprietary components that are intended to represent foods/allergens. This is already problematic since it does not not actually trigger specific antibody response.
The documentation that comes with the results specifically states that ALCAT is NOT to be used as an allergy detection, but identifies what food(s) elicited an inflammitory response in the blood sample and to what extent (severe, moderate, mild or none) and then uses a rotational diet to remove the worst foods first with the potential of being able to add back into the diet "response" foods after the body has had time to heal or recover from the inflamation. I found it very helpful to identify potential foods that I'm experimenting with removing. Although I, too, would have wanted to know
I did realize I haven't introduced myself to the list.
My name is Jeff Hogan and I am here primarily as an advocate for my 4 year old daughter. My daughter has been dealing with atopic dermatitis for several years. In the quest to heal her we have arrived at a modified Paleo diet.
On Fri, Mar 27, 2015 at 08:22:05AM -0800, Lisa E Sporleder [[log in to unmask]] wrote (in part): | back then, it was real food, so not much adaptation necessary. | Processed commercial dog food is less than a century old, which | even in dog years, isn't very long for that kind of adaptation | to get far given the differences in their digestive tracts. | But now that they are eating processed foods, they are starting | to show diseases of civilization, too. Also, I think diseases | that take a number of years to develop might not show up as
I have type one diabetes. Am I fucked?!?! I'm 31 and was diagnosed at 27. Any recommendations?
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On Mar 27, 2015, at 6:06 PM, Janice Frasche <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
On Fri, Mar 27, 2015 at 08:22:05AM -0800, Lisa E Sporleder [[log in to unmask]] wrote (in part): | back then, it was real food, so not much adaptation necessary. | Processed commercial dog food is less than a century old, which | even in dog years, isn't very long for that kind of adaptation | to get far given the differences in their digestive tracts. | But now that they
On Fri, Mar 27, 2015 at 06:32:37PM -0400, Bradford Neumann [[log in to unmask]] wrote (in part): | I have type one diabetes. Am I fucked?!?! I'm 31 and was | diagnosed at 27. Any recommendations? |
Hi Bradford,
Self education is key but as you may have very unstable blood sugars, your doctor has to work WITH YOU.
On Sun, Mar 29, 2015 at 02:16:22AM +0000, Jeff Hogan [[log in to unmask]] wrote (in part): | Janice, | | You might be interested in this article recently published by | Psychologist Barbara Frederickson | | http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0121839 |
Not really sure what to make of above.
My reaction: The study itself seems to address a philosophical model (good or bad, I have no opinion) about foundations of 'happiness' and better immunology in different populations. (speaks primarily of "healthy" people who opted to be part of the study)
I didn't really have a specific question; but, am glad to start seeing more gut to brain connections being made in mainstream fields.
Barbara Fredrickson is a pioneer in the relatively new field of Positive Psychology. Seing how you've unpacked other studies I was just curious on what your take might be.
Thank you very much for your response. I have Dr. Berstein's book and try to keep my blood sugar levels close to a normal healthy person's levels.
On Sat, Mar 28, 2015 at 7:54 PM, Janice Frasche <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> On Fri, Mar 27, 2015 at 06:32:37PM -0400, Bradford Neumann [ > [log in to unmask]] wrote (in part): > | I have type one diabetes. Am I fucked?!?! I'm 31 and was > | diagnosed at 27. Any recommendations? > | > > Hi Bradford, > > Self education is key but as you may have very unstable blood > sugars, your
So I’m on day 14 of a zero carb, limited protein experiment. About 100g per day of protein, zero carbs. I get plenty of salt during the day for energy and take a magnesium/potassium supplement at night.
I’m naturally at about 152 pounds, but had climbed to about 170 and was getting tired of the extra weight. I’d allowed significant dairy and coffee to creep back in and was feeling like crap.
Awesome, Jim! Those carbs can sneak in, and they do make you feel less than great! Continued success ~ Sincerely, Katie ----- Original Message ----- From: Jim Swayze<mailto:[log in to unmask]> To: [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]> Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2015 1:35 PM Subject: Update on my world
So I’m on day 14 of a zero carb, limited protein experiment. About 100g per day of protein, zero carbs. I get plenty of salt during the day for energy and take a magnesium/potassium supplement at night.
This is pretty much obvious because we already knew that...
a) Intestinal flora varies quite a lot between different populations b) Antibiotics and industrial foods have already made parts of our gut flora extinct
But now some researchers have done the difficult legwork of analyzing the intestinal flora of some genuine, minimal contact hunter gatherers:
Personally I've long been a paleo-skeptic... I believe that a "modern paleo" diet has *some* health benefits and is useful for weight-loss and to resolve some other specific issues, but overall probably isn't the *healthiest* diet for modern humans. I think humans have cooked
Well, if you believe that humans have been cooking "for far longer than paleo advocates admit", then you have a bit of a problem. All solid archaeological evidence re cooking shows that cooking got invented c.250,000 to 300,000 years ago or so. The only real guru who claims otherwise is the pro-vegetarian chimpanzee researcher Richard Wrangham, who has grudgingly but openly admitted that there is no actual valid palaeoanthropological evidence to support his claims. He was the one who theorised that cooking got invented c.1.8-1.9 million years ago. Of course, length of time is not actually relevant either, in terms
>> and also that evolution works much more rapidly than paleo people give it credit for.
Although I'm still on the fence somewhat regarding the 'age of cooking', I am less so regarding the evolution debate. I always get back to this basic question -
The domesticated dog has been with us for a long, long time. Because of their much shorter lifespans, and because of the enormous environmental (breeding) pressure *we* place on them, and because they are constantly exposed to and share what we eat (good and bad); I would expect to see fairly noticeable adaptations in their
Dogs have a scavenger/omnivore digestive tract than humans, shorter and more acidic to aid their ability to eat rotting things that would make us sick.
For much of the time man and dog have co-existed, man wasn't feeding dog. At least not exclusively. Dogs weren't caged; they were still their own main food providers, even if we threw them a bone once in a while after we'd gnawed off the surface good stuff. We may have shared in a time of plenty, but when food was scarce, most of dogs were on their own.
Pete Evans is a TV chef in Australia that promotes paleo. The Australian Dietitians have been attacking Pete for a few months now. Their arguments are typically lame. Pete has almost 800,000 followers. They are afraid of him.
Then in the last week there has been a huge amount of press over Pete Evans's new book. Just before release it was pulled. The Australian Dietitians claim the liver and bone broth he recommends for babies will kill them with too much Vitamin A.
Funny how the dietician interviewed for a split second, bemoans the elimination of "entire" food group like legumes as they are great source of fibre - oblivious to the fact that all the veg and fruit and nuts and coconut are excellent sources of fibre... it's like a not-listening- competition...
Dedy
-----Original Message----- From: Paleolithic Eating Support List [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Don Wiss Sent: Monday, March 2, 2015 9:44 PM To: [log in to unmask] Subject: [PALEOFOOD] Cordain and his new cookbook on TV
It has been interesting reading all these posts. Excessive sweating is a "problem" more common than many people realize. As a personal trainer in the habit of frequenting gyms, I can attest to that! Here are some addition notes that might be of interest. http://ezinearticles.com/?Excessive-Sweating:-Why-Do-Some-People-Sweat-In-Excess?&id=5640038 http://www.articlebiz.com/article/512523-1-why-some-people-sweat-excessively/
I used to sweat very excessively prior to going in for the raw, palaeolithic diet. In those times, anything above 10 degrees celsius would make me sweat very excessively and the sweat would be very smelly. In hindsight, this was due largely to my consumption of raw and pasteurised dairy at the time, plus a serious hormonal problem with my glands. Since then, I solved that problem, more or less, by switching to rawpalaeo, but the rawpalaeodiet has meant that I now have better circulation so I feel the cold much less and still sweat somewhat at higher temperatures. I
>I also wear shorts pretty much year round (I tell people I start wearing big-boy >pants if it drops below 20 f :)).
Ahahaha I know... Problem is I have to dress up for the office, so I always have to have a couple of shirts handy just in case.
What really kills me is humidity, in this period for instance we are experiencing exceptional humidity here (due to climate changes or whatever) and I am constantly drenched with sweat. Quite unpleasant.
My body sees coffee as a foreign invader. Drink coffee and >I sweat like crazy. Don’t drink it and I’m normal. > >Jim=
Hi Jim, mmhh, I'll try and give up coffee then. As a matter of fact I drink too much of it anyway...
thanks!
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Hi everybody, I know this topic probably isn't strictly pertinent to this List, but I'll try it anyway:
I sweat very much, very very much, it is not unusual for me to lose like 2\3kgs of fluids when I go out running. This condition has been with me since I was a child, and my father sweats a lot as well and so does my son and my cousins, so probably it is something genetic. Still it is very annoying and I would be eternally grateful if someone could give me some help on how to manage this condition.
Me tool. Until I gave up coffee. May sound crazy, but it’s true. And it’s not that coffee is hot. My body sees coffee as a foreign invader. Drink coffee and I sweat like crazy. Don’t drink it and I’m normal.
Doesn't have to just be coffee, but any substance you might be intolerant to. In college I always wondered why I sweat so much when I went out for a few drinks with my buddies. Some ingredients in some alcohols make me sweat profusely. The temperature in the bar was just fine all along. No problems now with the occasional fine 100% agave tequila. ;-)
>> What really kills me is humidity, in this period for instance we are experiencing exceptional humidity here (due to climate changes or whatever) and I am constantly drenched with sweat. Quite unpleasant.
Ah, there's where I luck out. Here (southern Idaho, USA) we have cold, snowy winters and very hot, dry summers. We also have very low humidity for most of the year.
Pho >Per conto di Allan Balliett >getting to fad levels out here in WV. I assumed everyone had heard of it by >now! ;-) -Allan in WV
Sorry! Not really popular round here...
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>-----Messaggio originale----- >Da: Paleolithic Eating Support List [mailto:[log in to unmask]] >Per conto di Allan Balliett >Inviato: lunedì 16 febbraio 2015 14:41 >A: [log in to unmask] >Oggetto: Re: [PALEOFOOD] Fat from Bone Broth > >at authentic Pho places you can ask for "pho fat" and they'll give you a >generous heated sidecar of the fat that was removed from the broth earlier. >Makes the dish, in my opinoin! > >Allan in WV > >On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 8:36 AM, Dedy Rundle <[log in to unmask]> >wrote: > >> Thanks Jim... >> No fear of fat here... I remove it mainly because >> I use the
-----Original Message----- From: Paleolithic Eating Support List [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Emiliano Bussòlo Sent: Monday, February 16, 2015 2:48 PM To: [log in to unmask] Subject: [PALEOFOOD] R: [PALEOFOOD] Fat from Bone Broth
Pho?
>-----Messaggio originale----- >Da: Paleolithic Eating Support List [mailto:[log in to unmask]] >Per conto di Allan Balliett >Inviato: lunedì 16 febbraio 2015 14:41 >A: [log in to unmask] >Oggetto: Re: [PALEOFOOD] Fat from Bone Broth > >at authentic Pho places you can ask for "pho fat" and they'll give you a >generous heated sidecar of the fat that was removed from the broth earlier. >Makes the dish, in my opinoin! >
getting to fad levels out here in WV. I assumed everyone had heard of it by now! ;-) -Allan in WV
On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 9:52 AM, Dedy Rundle <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> Traditional Vietnamese noodle soup ;-) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Paleolithic Eating Support List [mailto:[log in to unmask]] > On Behalf Of Emiliano Bussòlo > Sent: Monday, February 16, 2015 2:48 PM > To: [log in to unmask] > Subject: [PALEOFOOD] R: [PALEOFOOD] Fat from Bone Broth > > Pho? > > >-----Messaggio originale----- > >Da: Paleolithic Eating Support List [mailto:[log in to unmask]] > >Per conto di Allan Balliett > >Inviato: lunedì
Once I have chilled my home-made bone broth there's a thick layer of fat over the gelatinous broth. Can this fat be used for other purposes in the kitchen or should I discard it as instructed in most recipes for bone broth I have come across?
Dedy: You know this, so I will say it for others on the list. Do not discard the fat! Still it back in when you heat the broth! It's a big part of the point of making the stuff. Removing the fat is a relic of the increasingly fading fear of fat. I can only imagine removing it if for some reason you are still following a high carbohydrate diet.
Thanks Jim... No fear of fat here... I remove it mainly because I use the broth to add flavour and nutrients to soups and stews... If I leave the fat IN the broth it really ruins the taste... was thinking I could maybe clarify the fat like I would for Ghee then use for sautéing etc.... anybody done that?
at authentic Pho places you can ask for "pho fat" and they'll give you a generous heated sidecar of the fat that was removed from the broth earlier. Makes the dish, in my opinoin!
Allan in WV
On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 8:36 AM, Dedy Rundle <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> Thanks Jim... > No fear of fat here... I remove it mainly because > I use the broth to add flavour and nutrients to > soups and stews... If I leave the fat IN the broth > it really ruins the taste... was thinking I could > maybe clarify the
We have already had reports that Hillary and Bill are on a diet close to paleo, now we have Jeb Bush, who at a fundraiser "mentioned his own struggles maintaining a new Paleo diet."
Loren Cordain's newsletter today announces a one day $0.99 book sale on a bunch of Kindle books. Checking I found a few that were more expensive. Noted below. The list:
Loren Cordain - The Paleo Diet (Revised): Lose Weight and Get Healthy by Eating the Foods You Were Designed to Eat http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00BKRON5K
Paul Jaminet - Perfect Health Diet: Regain Health and Lose Weight by Eating the Way You Were Meant to Eat http://www.amazon.com/dp/B007USA6MM $13.99
On Tuesday, for one day only, 15 paleo e-books will be on sale for $0.99 each. Checking on Amazon now I find most are already on sale for $0.99. Others are now for sale for $1.99. A few aren't yet on sale.
The way I found them was to do a book search on paleo. Then click the link for Kindle books. Then in the combo box select Price: Low to High. Then I scrolled to page 6 to get past all the ones that are free. John Durant's email lists these 14 of the 15:
Awe, this is great! Paleo for ALL! Wouldn't that be great to gift give to our family members and friends for the holidays. I for one, wouldn't have to make so many of the foods, to lug to my cousin's home, that I can enjoy, too. With that said, I wish everyone a wonderful Thanksgiving! Sincerely, Katie Sent via the Samsung GALAXY S®4, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone
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On Tuesday, for one day only, 15 paleo e-books will
Dietary carbohydrate restriction as the first approach in diabetes management: Critical review and evidence base http://www.nutritionjrnl.com/article/S0899-9007%2814%2900332-3/abstract
My sister-in-law was diagnosed with pancreatic cancer in April 2011
She had an operation whereby part of her pancreas was removed as well as her gall bladder and some lymph nodes. What followed was a 'surgically-induced' diabetes which is kept 'in check' in the standard way.... she also had 2 courses of chemo since and overall is doing really well for the moment.
Hi Dedy, I had my gallbladder removed many years ago. I eat a very high fat diet and am not troubled by it. The liver continues to produce bile. It just isn't stored in, and dispensed by the gallbladder anymore.
best wishes, Ron -----Original Message-----
I have in the past sent her info re ketogenic diets are and cancer but... because she has no gall bladder she says she will not be able to go on a ketogenic diet due to the high fat content. I've tried to find info regarding this conundrum to no avail.
Thanks Ron I hope she will give it a chance Best Dedy
-----Original Message----- From: Paleolithic Eating Support List [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Ron Hoggan Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2014 5:56 PM To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: [PALEOFOOD] cancer and diet links
Hi Dedy, I had my gallbladder removed many years ago. I eat a very high fat diet and am not troubled by it. The liver continues to produce bile. It just isn't stored in, and dispensed by the gallbladder anymore.
"For Bill Clinton, the decision to halt a vegan lifestyle and choose a Paleo-style low-carb high protein diet occurred when his wife Hillary introduced him to Dr. Mark Hyman, revealed the New York Times.
"Dr. Hyman told the former President that his vegan diet contained too much starch and insufficient good quality protein. He also contends that weight loss is more difficult for vegans."
HI All, I'd love to know of some Paleo restaurants in NYC and Brooklyn (Williamsburg, Park Slope, Bed Stuy). I"m looking for FAIRLY strictly Paleo as opposed to places that will give you lettuce rather then a bun on your burger. Thanks, June Kamerling
On Tue, Nov 11, 2014 at 12:20 PM, Don Wiss <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
June Kamerling wrote: >I'd love to know of some Paleo restaurants in NYC and Brooklyn >(Williamsburg, Park Slope, Bed Stuy). >I"m looking for FAIRLY strictly Paleo as opposed to places that will give >you lettuce rather then a bun on your burger.
I prefer Latin restaurants. Mostly the Dominican ones. You can get chicken or pork with salad or plantains or yucca.
Thanks. I"ve heard of Hu Kitchen. Great suggestions. Anyone else?
On Wed, Nov 12, 2014 at 5:24 PM, Don Wiss <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> June Kamerling wrote: > >I'd love to know of some Paleo restaurants in NYC and Brooklyn > >(Williamsburg, Park Slope, Bed Stuy). > >I"m looking for FAIRLY strictly Paleo as opposed to places that will give > >you lettuce rather then a bun on your burger. > > I prefer Latin restaurants. Mostly the Dominican ones. You can get chicken > or pork with salad or plantains or yucca. > > Indian is an option. The African
I don't mean to be stepping on anyone's toes with this offer, but, if you are in the NW DC area (incl N Arlington, Silver Spring and Bethesda) I'll be delivering pastured Turkey's the week of Thanksgiving to delivery sites in that area.
Our price is $6.99 a pound and I have turkeys from 10 to 30 pounds.
This is addressed to anyone in the San Francisco area (and esp. SF East Bay).
Jason Seib (author of The Paleo Coach) is going to be teaching a seminar called "Sustainable Fat Loss" on Saturday November 15th, 1-5 PM in El Cerrito, CA at my Pilates studio, El Cerrito Fitness, in El Cerrito, CA.
If you are in the East Bay, check out the attached flyer. This is not a Paleo seminar. Jason is teaching this on his own without his amazing business partner Sarah Fragoso (Every Day Paleo). Jason will be talking about the combination of diet,
I wanted to see if it worked. I put about 6 oz of the frozen shrimp in a small glass casserole dish that has a cover. I microwaved on high for one minute. I stirred. I microwaved another minute. It was cooked just right. No spices, so a little bland. But a quick snack.
Paleolithic diet, Mediterranean diet linked to lower colorectal cancer http://www.foodconsumer.org/newsite/Nutrition/Diet/paleolithic_diet_mediterranean_diet_1019140240.html
They did not define the paleo diet nor the Mediterranean diet. According to Nina Teicholz, the Mediterranean diet identification is a scam because the Mediterranean countries have a widely diverse diet that is difficult to define. For example, back when this term was being formulated the people of Crete ate a lot of snails - not something consumed much by some of the other Mediterranean countries. She found the most common denominator was that those countries ate real food which was not very processed, even though ratios of fats, carbohydrates and protein differed quite a bit from country to country.
My understanding is that the so-called Mediterranean diet is based on the diet of Crete during Lent, when for religious reasons they eat no meat or dairy at all. Researchers forgot to check back at Easter, when they roast a whole lamb or three, along with dozens of eggs and loads of butter, full fat cheese, heavy cream, and a luxuriously sinful spread made by combining the cheese, butter, eggs, and cream with sugar, almonds, and dried fruit.
I was just randomly googling the main paleodiet site and found this article which debunks the notion that palaeolithic humans lived very short lives:-
http://paleodiet.com/life-expectancy.htm
I have to admit that up till now I had sort of assumed that palaeo humans could not have lived much into old age except possibly for tribal shamans who might have been well-protected by their tribes. But the various arguments in the article are very persuasive.
I am usually just lurking, but as an Archaeologist who has an interest in osteoarchaeology I just want to clear up a few common misconceptions, that don't get cleared up in the article. In archaeology we use three ages:
cultural age: Do the remains belong to someone who would have been considered as a child? or an elder? biological age: The age that the bones would be, usually compared to a standard taken from white males who fell in the Vietnam war. chronological age: The age in years.
Olympic Hopeful Credits Success to The Paleo Diet http://thepaleodiet.com/olympic-hopeful-credits-success-paleo-diet/
Schizophrenia and The Paleo Diet http://thepaleodiet.com/schizophrenia-and-the-paleo-diet/
Lamb Roast with Veggies and Mushrooms: One-Dish Meal http://thepaleodiet.com/lamb-roast-veggies-mushrooms-simple-one-dish-meal/
The August 22nd issue:
The Paleo Diet, Alcohol Consumption and Sulfites in Wine, Beer and Food http://thepaleodiet.com/paleo-diet-alcohol-consumption-sulfites-wine-beer-food/
Paleo Red Snapper with Zucchini and Fennel Seeds http://thepaleodiet.com/paleo-red-snapper-zucchini-fennel-seeds/
Anti-Aging And Paleo http://thepaleodiet.com/anti-aging-and-paleo/
Mexican Cuisine, Intestinal Permeability and the Paleo Diet http://thepaleodiet.com/mexican-cuisine-intestinal-permeability-paleo-diet/
Why National Childhood Obesity Awareness Month Needs the Paleo Community http://thepaleodiet.com/national-childhood-obesity-awareness-month-needs-paleo-community/
The Number One Factor Predicting Childhood Cognitive Performance: Diet http://thepaleodiet.com/number-one-factor-predicting-childhood-cognitive-performance-diet/
Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2014 21:59:56 +0000 > From: "Day, Wally" <[log in to unmask]> > Subject: Re: Absolutists on diet > > >The fundamental concepts I got out of Neanderthin were to avoid > >dairy, grain (wheat, corn, rice, rye, and similar grass seeds), Potatoes, > >and legumes. > > Keep in mind, though, that Ray got to that list by extrapolating from his > baseline concept - "naked with a sharp stick" > > --------------------------
The fundamental concepts I got out of Neanderthin were to avoid dairy, grain (wheat, corn, rice, rye, and similar grass seeds), Potatoes, and legumes. That's what worked for me. Of course, after reading the labels on all the food products, and getting rid of everything with corn syrup and wheat, I wound up learning how to cook much better than before.
On Sep 29, 2014, at 3:29 PM, Lawrence Tagrin <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> The fundamental concepts I got out of Neanderthin were to avoid dairy, > grain (wheat, corn, rice, rye, and similar grass seeds), Potatoes, and > legumes. That's what worked for me.
For me — and I suspect for a large number out there — I’d also add to that list other concentrated sources of carbohydrate. Not just table sugar and corn syrup, but also honey and even some fruits, at least for daily eating. And alcohol is a relatively rare treat. Instead of drinking a couple of glasses
>The fundamental concepts I got out of Neanderthin were to avoid >dairy, grain (wheat, corn, rice, rye, and similar grass seeds), Potatoes, >and legumes.
Keep in mind, though, that Ray got to that list by extrapolating from his baseline concept - "naked with a sharp stick"
From:"Suzanne R" <[log in to unmask]> Date:Sun, Sep 28, 2014 at 9:32 AM Subject:Okra and such Okra has seeds in it. Does that mean it is not allowed on Paleo? ---------------------------- If Okra can be eaten raw than it is considered paleo on this board. Seeds have nothing do do with it.
This is from Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Okra
Okra seems more considered a fruit (when eaten when it's small). It is not a legume nor a starchy vegetable.
Why should it be eaten raw to be considered Paleo?
On Sun, Sep 28, 2014 at 9:58 AM, David H. < [log in to unmask]> wrote:
> From:"Suzanne R" <[log in to unmask]> > Date:Sun, Sep 28, 2014 at 9:32 AM > Subject:Okra and such > > Okra has seeds in it. Does that mean it is not allowed on Paleo? > ---------------------------- > If Okra can be eaten raw than it is considered paleo on this board. Seeds > have
"Why should it be eaten raw to be considered Paleo?" Nothing to do with SHOULD be eaten raw to be considered paleo. It's considered paleo if it CAN be eaten raw. David Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
June Kamerling wrote: >Why should it be eaten raw to be considered Paleo?
Back when this list was set up in May 1997, the only paleo book out there was Ray Audette's Neanderthin. The list was set up to support people following the diet described in that book. Ray believes that to be paleo the food should be edible raw, and all you need is a stick to obtain it.
Thanks Don. I'll check it out. On Sep 28, 2014 12:50 PM, "Don Wiss" <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> June Kamerling wrote: > >Why should it be eaten raw to be considered Paleo? > > Back when this list was set up in May 1997, the only paleo book out there > was Ray Audette's Neanderthin. The list was set up to support people > following the diet described in that book. Ray believes that to be paleo > the food should be edible raw, and all you need is a stick to obtain it. > > If anyone here has not
This is the food news of the week: https://www.sciencenews.org/article/artificial-sweeteners-may-tip-scales-toward-metabolic-problems
You may have seen the articles. Of course, none of us here should be eating any such man-made chemical. I can't imagine any man-made chemical being good for us to eat.
A Call for a Low-Carb Diet http://www.nytimes.com/2014/09/02/health/low-carb-vs-low-fat-diet.html
"People who avoid carbohydrates and eat more fat, even saturated fat, lose more body fat and have fewer cardiovascular risks than people who follow the low-fat diet that health authorities have favored for decades, a major new study shows."
Where's the beef? Uncovering the ancient paleolithic diet in modern cultures
The September issue of National Geographic examines the Paleo Diet as a way to feed the planet's future generations and offers a more complete look at what our ancestors really ate. Science writer Ann Gibbons joins Hari Sreenivasan to discuss how the real Paleo Diet varies among cultures.
San Francisco Startup Chirping Over Its Cricket Flour; High-Protein Insect Foods May Be On Cusp Of Wider Acceptance http://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2014/08/04/san-francisco-bitty-foods-cricket-flour-cookies-insects-eating-protein-gluten-free-paleo-diet-megan-miller/
> > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > I wonder how much of the success of Paleo is because of the elimination of > *processed* carbs.
I believe there are three kinds of weight loss. The first comes from taking in more energy than you expend or excrete. We know now that this is not a simple caloric calculus, but I won't get into that in this post. The second is water weight, which is most of the weight you tend to lose when you are eating an equi-caloric Paleo versus standard diet.. And the third is reducing carbohydrates. I believe, other than surgery or accident, that that's the entire universe of possibilities.
Jim, when you say three kinds of weight loss, are you thinking of three methods? It seems to me that the three kinds of weight loss can only be fat loss, water loss, and muscle loss, and all real-world weight loss involves all three, in different ratios.
Carb reduction or fasting start with pronounced water loss, followed by gradual fat loss and a little muscle loss. But there too calories/energy play a role, as does any metabolic idiosyncrasy.
On Jul 22, 2014, at 12:37 PM, Todd Moody <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> Jim, when you say three kinds of weight loss, are you thinking of three methods? It seems to me that the three kinds of weight loss can only be fat loss, water loss, and muscle loss, and all real-world weight loss involves all three, in different ratios.
Low carb Paleo-style diets beat low-fat for weight loss: Calorie myth debunked http://www.examiner.com/article/time-magazine-debunks-calorie-myth-low-carb-paleo-style-diet-aids-weight-loss I wonder how much of the success of Paleo is because of the elimination of *processed* carbs. I’ve had very good results in weight loss and blood chemistry numbers on a very low carb diet, and I’ve had even more impressive results on a more macrobiotic style diet. The two are almost completely opposite in their approach (the former preferring more meat and less grains, and the latter preferring more grains and less meat), but they do share one major thing in common: the elimination of processed
The Real Paleo Diet http://www.slate.com/blogs/wild_things/2014/06/25/neanderthal_feces_coprolite_study_shows_early_humans_ate_meat_and_vegetables.html
Very interesting article, thanks Don! However I am disturbed by the fact that in his "Store" section he's endorsing Julian Bakery's Vanilla and Chocolate egg white protein powders...both containing the very folic acid this article vilifies! His credibility just dropped a few points...
BTW, I commented the above but no reply...as a matter of fact the replynever posted. I guess only the "good" reply's go through.
That just means an unattended mailbox and that someone hasn’t well thought through the product profile. A sin? Yes. But not unforgivable.
I wonder what Loren is saying, though, about the saturated fat evidence that’s coming in like a wave.
Jim Swayze www.fireholecanyon.com
On Jun 25, 2014, at 7:34 PM, Stevie <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> Very interesting article, thanks Don! However I am disturbed by the fact that in his "Store" section he's endorsing Julian Bakery's Vanilla and Chocolate egg white protein powders...both containing the very folic acid this article vilifies! His credibility just dropped a few points... > > BTW,
On 6/25/2014 9:16 PM, Jim Swayze wrote: > That just means an unattended mailbox and that someone hasn't well thought through the product profile. A sin? Yes. But not unforgivable. > > I wonder what Loren is saying, though, about the saturated fat evidence that's coming in like a wave. > > Jim Swayze > www.fireholecanyon.com > >
> > I wonder what Loren is saying, though, about the saturated fat evidence > that’s coming in like a wave. >
I think he has stopped saying anything negative about consumption of saturated fats. His website acknowledges that lauric, myristic, and palmitic raise total and LDL cholesterol, but that "recent meta analyses (combined large population studies) demonstrate they don’t increase your risk for heart disease."
Stevie wrote: >Very interesting article, thanks Don! However I am disturbed by the fact >that in his "Store" section he's endorsing Julian Bakery's Vanilla and >Chocolate egg white protein powders...both containing the very folic >acid this article vilifies! His credibility just dropped a few points...
I wrote to Loren pointing this out. He was not aware of this. Both items have now been removed from the page.
Yay! The man has integrity. Stevie On 6/26/2014 2:17 PM, Don Wiss wrote: > Stevie wrote: > >Very interesting article, thanks Don! However I am disturbed by the fact > >that in his "Store" section he's endorsing Julian Bakery's Vanilla and > >Chocolate egg white protein powders...both containing the very folic > >acid this article vilifies! His credibility just dropped a few points... > > I wrote to Loren pointing this out. He was not aware of this. Both > items have now been removed from the page.
The Wild Argentinean shrimp are back in at Trader Joe's. No tail shells to remove. They are $8.99/lb. The best deal around. They are not in stock all year long. So stock up the freezer now.
The Wild Blueberries are also in stock. Again these are not all year.
The organic mangoes from Peru are in. You don't want them when they are from Ecuador. Those aren't ripe.
I was going to go out and buy the issue, just so I could copy the article. Then I went down to get today's mail. And there the issue was! I had forgotten that my tenants subscribe to Time.
Here it is: http://paleodiet.com/Time-Don%27tBlameFat.pdf
Please save a copy. Please do not distribute that link to anyone else. You can e-mail them a copy.
I'm wondering if the second page of text is missing?
Lisa
On 6/16/2014 12:52 PM, Don Wiss wrote: > I was going to go out and buy the issue, just so I could copy the > article. Then I went down to get today's mail. And there the issue > was! I had forgotten that my tenants subscribe to Time. > > Here it is: http://paleodiet.com/Time-Don%27tBlameFat.pdf > > Please save a copy. Please do not distribute that link to anyone else. > You can e-mail them a copy. > > Don.
Thanks for posting the article, Don. It's nice to know mainstream media CAN get something right, even if it's 30+ years too late.
Lisa
On 6/16/2014 1:25 PM, Don Wiss wrote: > Lisa Sporleder wrote: > >I'm wondering if the second page of text is missing? > > It is only missing if you downloaded it within five minutes of when I > sent out the e-mail.
Free viewing until 7-4 - 1 hr movie tracing a man's tests after switching to HFLC, also mentions the Australian cricket team is on this diet ~ http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2014/06/28/cereal-killers-movie.aspx?e_cid=20140628Z1_DNL_art_1&utm_source=dnl&utm_medium=email&utm_content=art1&utm_campaign=20140628Z1&et_cid=DM51229&et_rid=568559531
> Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2014 16:52:43 -0400 > From: [log in to unmask] > Subject: the Time Magazine article > To: [log in to unmask] > > I was going to go out and buy the issue, just so I could copy the > article. Then I went down to get today's mail. And there the issue > was!
Low carb ketogenic diet helps epilepsy, MS, depression, cancer and weight loss http://www.examiner.com/article/low-carb-high-fat-keto-diet-helps-epilepsy-ms-depression-cancer-weight-loss
Intermittent fasting follows Paleo diet principles for health and weight loss http://www.examiner.com/article/intermittent-fasting-follows-paleo-diet-principles-for-health-and-weight-loss
War on saturated fat is over: Ketogenic, Atkins and Paleo diets get vindicated http://www.examiner.com/article/saturated-fat-gets-vindicated-by-mainstream-media-on-stunning-time-cover
A preview of the article:
Ending the War on Fat http://time.com/2863227/ending-the-war-on-fat/
> On Jun 13, 2014, at 8:20 PM, Don Wiss <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > > A news report on the article: > > War on saturated fat is over: Ketogenic, Atkins and Paleo diets get vindicated > http://www.examiner.com/article/saturated-fat-gets-vindicated-by-mainstream-media-on-stunning-time-cover > > A preview of the article: > > Ending the War on Fat > http://time.com/2863227/ending-the-war-on-fat/ > > You need to be a subscriber to read it all.
> On Jun 13, 2014, at 8:20 PM, Don Wiss <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > > A news report on the article: > > War on saturated fat is over: Ketogenic, Atkins and Paleo diets get vindicated > http://www.examiner.com/article/saturated-fat-gets-vindicated-by-mainstream-media-on-stunning-time-cover > > A preview of the article: > > Ending the War on Fat > http://time.com/2863227/ending-the-war-on-fat/ > > You need to be a subscriber to read it all.
>> A preview of the article: >> >> Ending the War on Fat >> http://time.com/2863227/ending-the-war-on-fat/ >> >> You need to be a subscriber to read it all.
>This is HUGE
Were you able to read the actual article in Time? Not being a subscriber I have not seen it.
It is getting plenty of coverage: https://www.google.com/search?q=Time+Magazine+%22Ending+the+War+on+Fat%22
> > Were you able to read the actual article in Time? Not being a subscriber I have not seen it. > > It is getting plenty of coverage: > https://www.google.com/search?q=Time+Magazine+%22Ending+the+War+on+Fat%22
I am not a subscriber either. But this is an enormous watershed event a long, long time coming. Just as historic as when Time put Ancel Keys on their cover.
There is a kind of sweet irony to Time having come full circle.... it only took them 63 years to correct their report on Keys that was published in January of 1961.
> > Were you able to read the actual article in Time? Not being a subscriber I have not seen it. > > It is getting plenty of coverage: > https://www.google.com/search?q=Time+Magazine+%22Ending+the+War+on+Fat%22
This might be more on-topic than apparent at first glance, and I'm sure some of us have already seen or heard it. I hope everyone gets that opportunity!... At the Taste3 conference, chef Dan Barber tells the story of a small farm in Spain that has found a humane way to produce foie gras. Raising his geese in a natural environment, farmer Eduardo Sousa embodies the kind of food production Barber believes in. http://www.ted.com/talks/dan_barber_s_surprising_foie_gras_parable Happy Mother's Day weekend, all! Diane H.
I see it often. Some media commentator thinks they are a know-it-all and comments on the paleo diet. Basically, if it doesn't agree with what the establishment recommends, it is no good.
The Straight Dope: Cave Diet http://www.cityweekly.net/utah/article-19133-cave-diet.html
There are so many inaccuracies I don't know where to start. I encourage people here to comment and set him straight.
> On May 9, 2014, at 3:21 PM, Don Wiss: Some media commentator thinks they are a know-it-all and comments on the paleo diet. Basically, if it doesn't agree with what the establishment recommends, it is no good
A good example of that is the media reports this week on the Vibram FiveFingers class action.
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TOOD: The more palatable foods are, >the more fattening they are, due to a whole cascade of effects in the >body. It's partly "they taste good so we eat more" but it's not just >that.
That's very very interesting, but what exctly is this "whole cascade of effects"? could you please give us some reference?
> That's very very interesting, but what exctly is this "whole cascade > of effects"? could you please give us some reference?
> Thanks for the very stimulating post
Here's a useful overview by Guyenet: http://boingboing.net/2012/03/09/seduced-by-food-obesity-and-t.html
Jim, it's funny you mention the steak wrapped in bacon. Bacon is indeed one of the most palatable foods out there, and it's use as an additive in all sorts of things has become something of a culinary meme these days. The other day I was in a diner that had a new pastry: Cream-filled, maple-glazed, with bits of bacon sprinkled on the top.
With appreciation to June K. for her wonderful book recommendation (which I now have on reserve at my library), I just wanted to share this article written by the author (as I was looking to quantify the nutrition of my dinner tonight). On top of a green salad with a variety of crunchy vegetables, the liver was astounding.
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I liked his book also, June. Very comprehensive. Lately I have read and gained good info from: "Pottenger's Prophecy" about epigenetics - astounding facts about how we turn on/off gene expression based on lifestyle. "Pandora's Lunchbox" history about the perversion of our modern food supply "Grain Brain" is the best book I have read about wheat, sugar, processed foods "Death by Food Pyramid" also gives historical info along with a lot more about how to read science studies, etc. Paula H.
Book by Anthony Colpo. Kindle edition currently free on Amazon. I haven't read it yet, but it looks like it should be of some interest. Colpo nemesis Michael Eades even recommended it on his blog!
[Ron] Do you avoid fruits because today's fruits are likely more glycemic than pre-agricultural fruits? And what about vegetables? Do you avoid potatoes because they were not available to Europeans until about 500 years ago? And what about all the other vegetables that were not available to Europeans until recently? And what about meats? Do you avoid today's meats because they do not reflect the fat content of pre-agricultural game?
When I cut out grain, I first found it hard to try and find alternatives. I have now replaced them with a number of products that work for me.
To replace potatoes in purees and mashes I use green plantains. The starch in them is apparently much less quickly assimilated and has a much better nutritional profile than potatoes or similar products. I also use a combination of plantain flour, flaxseed meal, and almond flour as a base to make a bread substitute, I can alter the percentages and add coconut flour to get a sweeter bread.
Pollan's whole thesis is wrongheaded, based on bogus evidence.
1) take his claim that cooking transforms meat, making it tastier. No, it does not. it is merely a matter of habits built up over years. For example, people who switch long-term to a raw, palaeolithic diet find increasingly that cooked meat starts tasting "burnt" and dry/dehydrated and unpleasant, and that raw meat tastes way better. A raw foodist stance is that cooking creates addictive opioids which influence the brain and cause cravings for cooked foods. Such addictive opioids, interestingly, also exist in dairy and grains.
> Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2014 09:19:26 +0000 > From: [log in to unmask] > Subject: Re: Michael Pollan explains what’s wrong with the paleo diet | Grist > To: [log in to unmask] > > Pollan's whole thesis is wrongheaded, based on bogus evidence. > > 1) take his claim that cooking transforms meat, making it tastier. No, it does not. it is merely a matter of habits built up over years. For example, people who switch long-term to a raw, palaeolithic diet find increasingly that cooked meat starts tasting "burnt" and dry/dehydrated and unpleasant, and that raw meat tastes way
Fruit has the strategy of wanting animals to eat their fruit, but to not digest the seed. The seeds then pass through the digestive system and get deposited at a new location, along with a clump of fertilizer.
Many plants that have berries also have thorns. This is to deter animals, but allow birds to get to the berries. Their seeds are very small. They pass through a bird's digestive system, but get digested in animals.
On Feb 23, 2014, at 6:27 AM, Don Wiss <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > > This list started as a support list for people following the Neanderthin diet. Back when this list started in May 1997 that was the only paleo book out there. The author, Ray Audette, has a very simple way of determining if the food is paleo. While we may cook the food, it needs to be edible raw.
A lay person's related thoughts, with no claim to being scientific, and not wanting to start an argument or long thread:
* directly or indirectly, everybody is somebody else's lunch. * plants may have feelings * fungi may have more intelligence, "feelings", etc. than plants * we may be eating more meat than we need for our current lifestyles * natural selection may move humans to needing less food from animals * there is no completely vegetarian society; some eat insects, e.g.
The only Pleistocene mega-fauna that survive in Pleistocene numbers are the ones that we breed [take two by two in Old Testament parlance] to eat. Every day the pigs give thanks to God [and bacon] that, even after thousands of persecution, they still outnumber those who would call them unclean. Ray Audette NeanderThin On Saturday, February 22, 2014 4:13 PM, WAYNE WYNN <[log in to unmask]> wrote: A lay person's related thoughts, with no claim to being scientific, and not wanting to start an argument or long thread: * directly or indirectly, everybody is somebody else's lunch. * plants
The only Pleistocene mega-fauna that survive in Pleistocene numbers are the ones that we breed [take two by two in Old Testament parlance] to eat. Every day the pigs give thanks to God [and bacon] that, even after thousands of years of persecution, they still outnumber those who would call them unclean. Ray Audette NeanderThin On , Ray Audette <[log in to unmask]> wrote: The only Pleistocene mega-fauna that survive in Pleistocene numbers are the ones that we breed [take two by two in Old Testament parlance] to eat. Every day the pigs give thanks to God [and bacon] that, even after thousands
>>One of my few ethical food choices is to eat lamb and veal rarely. I feel that the animals deserve a life. Also, >>they deserve a better one than we have been giving them in factory farming.
We all have the right to choose what we believe to "be ethical." Our beliefs may or may not have any basis in objective reality. If you choose not to eat lamb or veal, please let go of the fantasy that would live happy lives frolicking with Bambi and all the other Disney anthropomorphized cute animals. Sheep and cows functions as domesticated food
For those who are in the Dallas/Fort Worth area, Jon Taggert of Burgundy Pasture Beef (grassfed supplier) is going to be giving a talk on this very subject tomorrow night in Fort Worth:
Join us at the Botanical Research Institute of Texas for a presentation of "The True Definition of Sustainable Ranching" presented by Jon Taggart of Burgundy Pasture Beef
I've been a lurker on this list for at least a year or so now, so I thought that it's about time that I finally introduced myself.
I'm Tracey, living in the Netherlands with hubby and children. Diet-wise we're kind of a cross between Weston Price and Paleo (ie, we use some grains but I soak everything in whey beforehand).
Tracey Baldrey wrote: > Some of my shopping is from the supermarkets and some from >the local farm but sourcing good quality organic meat is difficult and I >find that most of the time we have to resort to packaged organic meat.
In the US, organic meat means the animal was fed organic grains. To be paleo we prefer out meat to be grass-fed and grass-finished. What about all those cows one sees hanging out on the polders?
Hi Tracey, Welcome to the list and thanks for coming out of the (lurker's) closet. 1. Because we eat mostly grass-fed meats, the animals that provide our meats don't live in the ugly conditions of a meat factory. 2. Weston Price and Paleo are both venerable paradigms, but there is a lot of solid science that falls outside of both of these perspectives, and may yet prove crucial to healthy eating, especially for those whose genes are partly or wholly non-European. 3. Grain production causes salinization of soils and desertification of grasslands. 4. Have you ever considered how much of
Thank you Don, Ron, Ray and David. Your answers have certainly helped me understand things better.
The definition for organic here in the Netherlands is (translating from www.BioNext.nl ):
"The cow receives 100% organic, GM free food. Cows are made to eat grass. A minimum of 60% of their food must be roughage which the cow can ruminate, such as grass, clover and hay. Organic cows receive less maze and soya." (but it doesn't say what percentage of maze or soya they do receive)
Grass finished means the cow has never been fed grains up to when it was slaughtered. In the US people are so used to the taste of cows that have been feed grains, that while the producers may start the cows on pasture, they fed them grains near the end of their life.
Ron, you wrote:..... <<Weston Price and Paleo are both venerable paradigms, but there is a lot of solid science that falls outside of both of these perspectives, and may yet prove crucial to healthy eating, especially for those whose genes are partly or wholly non-European.>>
Which is interesting for me because although I was born and raised in England, my mother is Indian/Portuguese and my father Russian/Polish.
You may want to read Lierre Keith's book "The Vegetarian Myth". She was a vegetarian for about 20 years for ethical reasons. Now she is paleo. She goes into much detail on how monocropping destroys the land and planet, while ethically raising animals for consumption is doable and better for the planet.
As a 60 year old woman who has been mainly paleo for 17 years, I do not find it that much more expensive from the standard American diet - those processed foods are quite expensive!! Price them out by the pound some time. But, for someone eating a
On Feb 23, 2014, at 11:23 AM, Ron Hoggan <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> Ron, you wrote:.. there is a lot of solid science that falls outside of both [Weston Price and strict paleo which] may yet > prove crucial to healthy eating, especially for those whose genes are partly or wholly non-European.
I’d be interested in more info, Ron. With nutrition science being the shambles it is, I’ve yet to see any convincing study or review that points in the non-paleo direction, with low carbohydrate paleo being the shining example of what we ought all to eat.
On Feb 23, 2014, at 11:23 AM, Ron Hoggan <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > Ron, you wrote:.. there is a lot of solid science that falls outside > of both [Weston Price and strict paleo which] may yet prove crucial to healthy eating, especially for those whose genes are partly or wholly non-European.
On Monday, February 24, 2014 7:42 AM, Jim Swayze wrote: I'd be interested in more info, Ron. With nutrition science being the shambles it is, I've yet to see any convincing study or review that points in the non-paleo direction, with low carbohydrate paleo being the shining
I am always amazed at how some people can claim that a raw or cooked palaeolithic diet is too expensive. This just isn't so. For example, if one is near the coast, raw wildcaught seafood can be bought at very cheap prices(eg:- mackerel or sardines). If one finds grassfed muscle-meats too expensive, then one should instead buy the dirt-cheap grassfed organ-meats which nobody wants in the West, but which are, ironically, far more nutricious than any muscle-meats. Then there is the possibility of wild game, which I have been easily able to get hold of at much, much cheaper rates
Thank you Geoff. Totally agree. On Feb 24, 2014 11:15 PM, "Geoff Purcell" <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> > I am always amazed at how some people can claim that a raw or cooked > palaeolithic diet is too expensive. This just isn't so. For example, if > one is near the coast, raw wildcaught seafood can be bought at very cheap > prices(eg:- mackerel or sardines). If one finds grassfed muscle-meats too > expensive, then one should instead buy the dirt-cheap grassfed organ-meats > which nobody wants in the West, but which are, ironically, far more > nutricious than any muscle-meats.
Ron, many thanks for your message below. I see the sense in it...but here's where I come unstuck.....every time I cut out a food for fear of it being unhealthy in some way, I end up with a more and more restricted selection to choose from. If all the grains, rices and pulses disappear entirely, I'm only left with fish/meat and vegetables for a meal, cooked with coconut oil usually, and that just doesn't seem to fill me.
Thank you Don. This is a very helpful post for me.
I've just been looking into completely grass-fed cows and surprisingly there aren't many here in the Netherlands it would appear, but they do exist...so, I'm on to that one now!
<<While brown rice does have more nutrients than white rice, it also has more anti-nutrients. It has the bran. That is where the phytic acid is. Phytic acid combines with minerals eaten in the same meal, and then the minerals are poorly absorbed.>>
This looks like just the kind of book I was looking for. It's now in my amazon basket ;o)
I can't speak for how expensive or cheap things are in America but here my weekly food bill easily comes to 220 euros per week (that's US$300 roughly, using a google tool). It seems to be twice the amount my friends with the same sized families are spending (we're just a family of four which includes two small children). Apart from the packaged organic meat, everything else is fresh but not necessarily organic.
Hi Tracey, Quinoa and buckwheat are both far superior choices to any grain, provided you don't react to them.
I have found that I have to get used to a different sense of satiation. I don't feel full, but I do feel sated, when eating a diet that is lower in carbs. best wishes, Ron
Our family of 3 spends roughly $700.00 per month on food. My husband and I are 100% Paleo. We buy our meat from local farms, organic produce from farmers markets, local health food stores (more $$) and/or local farms (CSA box). We buy pastured eggs at our local health food store. Someday maybe we'll get it together to have chickens. In the summer we grow a fair amount of food. Occasionally with guilt I buy factory farm meat from Costco.
Tuesday, February 25, 2014 2:34 PM Tracey Baldrey wrote:
And now I have another question.....I've read in so many places that too much meat/protein is acidic forming and that the body needs to be slightly alkaline, hence the reason for eating plenty of raw veg/fruit and less protein. What's your thoughts (and other members' thoughts too!) on this?
You can try using more of the starchier veggies like yams, winter squash, etc. Spaghetti squash is my friend...I use it under all sorts of saucy or juicy things. No it doesn't absorb quite as much liquid, but as was already mentioned, that's why we have spoons! I always thought it was a shame that as adults, we often seem to forget how to use a spoon once we master the fork.
Thanks Ron, that's good to know. No reactions to either buckwheat or quinoa as far as I'm aware. What sort of reactions might there be?
And I currently soak them in whey overnight. Do you feel that improves things even further?
Best wishes Tracey
-----Original Message----- From: Paleolithic Eating Support List [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Ron Hoggan Sent: 26 February 2014 00:05 To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: Intro
Hi Tracey, I don't know if soaking the buckwheat or quinoa would offer any benefit. If that's how you like to eat them, and you don't react to the whey, I guess it is okay.
Any kind of reaction that suggests a food sensitivity, ranging from diarrhea to cravings for that food (unless your cravings are driven by pregnancy). best wishes, Ron
[Ron] 1. gluten grains - For most of us, they are a problematic food, but about 20% of the human population doesn't make haptaglobin2. That suggests that they don't make its precursor, zonulin. If they are not making zonulin, they are not at risk for most of the hazards posed by eating gluten grains.
That's interesting to know, June. I think the cost of living in America is generally a lot cheaper than mainland Europe. Food prices here are very expensive and that's not even for the good stuff, unfortunately! Plus, there's not the variety or range of foods that you guys seem to have access to...
Hey ho.....we all have to adapt to our environment I guess...
-----Original Message----- From: Paleolithic Eating Support List [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Ron Hoggan Sent: 26 February 2014 00:16 To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: Intro
Tuesday, February 25, 2014 2:34 PM Tracey Baldrey wrote:
And now I have another question.....I've read in so many places that too much meat/protein is acidic forming and that the body needs to be slightly alkaline, hence the reason for eating plenty of raw veg/fruit and less protein. What's your thoughts (and other members' thoughts too!) on this?
Many thanks for that tip Lisa. I do use butternut squash and pumpkin quite a bit already (the other squashes are not available to us here). Never tried yam, so I'll give that a go as I know it's available. Best wishes Tracey
-----Original Message----- From: Paleolithic Eating Support List [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Lisa Sporleder Sent: 26 February 2014 00:43 To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: Intro
Hi Tracey, Yes, we have to do our best with what is available. Good luck...
On Wed, Feb 26, 2014 at 1:07 PM, Tracey Baldrey <[log in to unmask]>wrote:
> That's interesting to know, June. I think the cost of living in America is > generally a lot cheaper than mainland Europe. Food prices here are very > expensive and that's not even for the good stuff, unfortunately! Plus, > there's not the variety or range of foods that you guys seem to have access > to... > > Hey ho.....we all have to adapt to our environment I guess... > > -----Original
